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Re: Tesla Dojo Custom AI Supercomputer at HC34

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Post by oittaa »

rcMgD2BwE72F wrote: post #32
cma wrote: post #25

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Dear Moon was supposed to be 2022. But he was supposed to land a manned dragon capsule on Mars in 2020 and before that 2018, plus passenger rocket flights from New York to Shanghai for between the price of a coach and business class ticket by 2028 (first made the claim in 2018, later doubled down on the 2028 date around 2020). https://www.theverge.com/2017/2/17/14652026/spacex-red-drago... Starlink satellites were su…

>California gave them almost a billion for "delivering" them. Source?

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Re: Tesla Dojo Custom AI Supercomputer at HC34

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Post by mg »

JustFinishedBSG wrote: post #35
mg wrote: post #24

It's interesting to see to what extent matrix multiplication and backpropagation are dominating the AI space these days. I wouldn't be surprised if other approaches like genetic programming will make a comeback one day. If there are any papers out there arguing for/against neural networks to stay in the king's seat forever, I would love to see them.

> I wouldn't be surprised if other approaches like genetic programming will make a comeback one day. Why would they? If you assume that your objective is kinda smooth genetic algorithms and related are guaranteed to suck. And most "real" world things of interest can be assumed to be pretty smooth

There are two parts to this. One is the representation: Neural Net vs Program. The other is the search approach: Back propagation vs crossover and mutation.

Your smoothness argument applies to the search approach. I would say "smooth" is not enough to describe the search space of real world solutions. I would rather call it fractal like. There are many smooth areas in a visualization of the Mandelbrot set. But the most interesting things happen in areas that are not smooth but follow some delicate logic. You find tiny local minima there that are hard to reach via gradient descent.

Genetic algorithms have a lot going for them in this type of search space. To pick one factor: GA's distribute the search power so that areas of the search space that are more promising get more resources. Similar to the optimal approach to deal with so called "multi-armed bandit" problems, GA's divide the search space in an optimal way, computation wise.

Re: Tesla Dojo Custom AI Supercomputer at HC34

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Post by mciancia »

dadof4 wrote: post #39

So they have one of the world’s most powerful super computers and they still can’t figure out how to make the car handle an incoming merge lane or how to properly drive down a two lane road without a lane lines…. I grew so frustrated with Tesla constantly trying to solve hard problems without mastering the easy stuff I sold the car.

Maybe it not an easy problem?

Re: Tesla Dojo Custom AI Supercomputer at HC34

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Post by pmorici »

killyourcar wrote: post #11
threatripper wrote: post #4

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Musk promising FSD by the end of the year - year after year - is one major thing that tarnished the Tesla image in my mind. I now assume that he has to believe that in order to avoid lawsuits. Maybe the same is with the computing infrastructure. They need to build it to show that they honestly believed it could work - even though they failed to deliver on their promises many times. That said, they do make progress an…

Musk is absolutely the reason I would never consider buying another Tesla, having just sold mine. Dude just straight up lies. He may not realize he's lying, but he lies constantly. Edit, because I'm getting downvoted. Here's some examples: self driving, battery swaps, robotic snake chargers, cybertruck windows, Bitcoin won't be converted to fiat, starlink speeds will improve, he will sell his home, first mars mission…

“He may not realize he's lying, but he lies constantly.”

You have to know what your saying is untrue for something to be a lie. Otherwise it is simply called being wrong.

Re: Tesla Dojo Custom AI Supercomputer at HC34

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Post by pmorici »

atdrummond wrote: post #28
hoseja wrote: post #27

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??? Why keep bringing that up? The sub wasn't needed because of fortunate good weather and less cave flooding than expected, the "advisor" who never even dived was a middle age white dude in SEA.

All of that is irrelevant to Musk calling the man a “pedophile” with zero evidence.

Pedophile was not the exact insult used why do you have it in quotes as if it were spoken verbatim?

Re: Tesla Dojo Custom AI Supercomputer at HC34

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Post by goethes_kind »

dadof4 wrote: post #39

So they have one of the world’s most powerful super computers and they still can’t figure out how to make the car handle an incoming merge lane or how to properly drive down a two lane road without a lane lines…. I grew so frustrated with Tesla constantly trying to solve hard problems without mastering the easy stuff I sold the car.

This might even be a symptom of their approach. They want to train a model that is able to generalize and behave like a human. In doing so they reject simpler approaches that can handle simpler scenarios much more reliably.

Re: Tesla Dojo Custom AI Supercomputer at HC34

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Post by epgui »

londons_explore wrote: post #31
kjksf wrote: post #15

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It is already Tesla's plan to build AWS-style paid access to Dojo. I think they said that during the first AI Day. Here's a 19 minute supercut of AI Day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keWEE9FwS9o

I suspect they've just deprioritized it for other work. But I think that was the wrong strategic move - they should have opened it up, together with some 'Tesla AI' demo models, in a colab environment. They can hire new employees to do that - it is separate work from that involved in making the self driving car, and will not block or interfere. The only reason I think they might not is that they don't want to step on…

What makes you think they deprioritized “it”?

Re: Tesla Dojo Custom AI Supercomputer at HC34

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Post by epgui »

londons_explore wrote: post #36
schiffern wrote: post #34

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> They can hire new employees The bottleneck isn't employees, it's chips.

If that were the case, they'd have already launched a 'demo' version with very low usage limits. Users can start building/porting their models, and then run them in a few months when the next batch of chips arrives.

Sometimes R&D just takes time.

Re: Tesla Dojo Custom AI Supercomputer at HC34

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Post by clouddrover »

pmorici wrote: post #44
killyourcar wrote: post #11

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Musk is absolutely the reason I would never consider buying another Tesla, having just sold mine. Dude just straight up lies. He may not realize he's lying, but he lies constantly. Edit, because I'm getting downvoted. Here's some examples: self driving, battery swaps, robotic snake chargers, cybertruck windows, Bitcoin won't be converted to fiat, starlink speeds will improve, he will sell his home, first mars mission…

“He may not realize he's lying, but he lies constantly.” You have to know what your saying is untrue for something to be a lie. Otherwise it is simply called being wrong.

When you keep being wrong in the same way for 9 years straight then it graduates from "wrong" to "lie":

https://jalopnik.com/elon-musk-promises-full-self-driving-ne...

Re: Tesla Dojo Custom AI Supercomputer at HC34

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Post by mlindner »

defrost wrote: post #18
killyourcar wrote: post #11

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Musk is absolutely the reason I would never consider buying another Tesla, having just sold mine. Dude just straight up lies. He may not realize he's lying, but he lies constantly. Edit, because I'm getting downvoted. Here's some examples: self driving, battery swaps, robotic snake chargers, cybertruck windows, Bitcoin won't be converted to fiat, starlink speeds will improve, he will sell his home, first mars mission…

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> Never forget the cave rescue ready submarine and pedo accusations.

I never forget that people like yourself continue to bring up the nonsense. He tried to help save the kids for goodness's sake. All he gets is ridicule for trying to help. You people are insufferable.

Did no one ever teach you "don't look a gift horse in the mouth"?

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