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Investors bought a quarter of US homes sold last year

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Re: Investors bought a quarter of US homes sold last year

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We have spent decades telling American families that homeownership is the safest investment. We then spent decades enacting policies to ensure this is true. Do we think investors were going to just sit that out and ignore a safe and government protected investment? Of course the more attractive we make home ownership as an investment, the more investors will flock to the market. We need policies specifically benefiti…

This article, speaking to your point, is pretty convincing in terms of the data: https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/22524829/wall-street-housin... > The role of institutional investors is still being studied, but the popularity of the narrative strikes at something dangerous: People want a convenient boogeyman and when they get it, they often ignore the structural problems that are harder to combat. Housing undersupply…

Yes, the investors are the symptom and not the cause. They are going where the money leads them. However a big problem with institutional investors is that they also institutionalize NIMBYism. They won't just block housing in a select neighborhood, they will block housing everywhere and they put more pressure on the federal government to ensure that housing is protected as an investment class. Both will contribute to worsening the issue.

Plus even at low levels NIMBYism is often about investment. Sure, many object to new housing for reasons like "it will change the character of the neighborhood". But many others object because they are worried about the value of their own home going down. They are treating their home primarily as an investment because that is what they have been told to do their whole life. If I could snap my fingers and magically realign our political goals to maintaining stable home values instead of having them ever-increasing, many NIMBY objections would fade away.

Re: Investors bought a quarter of US homes sold last year

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I'm so frustrated by some of the conversations people get in around housing. They want to live in the most desirable places on planet earth, and seem to think that we should just abolish the concept of property ownership to accomplish this. What do you guys think happens when you get what you want, and nobody can "own" property anymore? Do you think there is an unlimited amount of single family 3000 square foot homes…

This is such a twisted framing of the issue. No one wants to "abolish property ownership". In fact housing proponents want the exact opposite – give everybody the opportunity to own a house rather than a select few large corporations and investors. Let me build my own house on a piece of land in or near the city, just like my grandparents did just a couple of generations ago. Remove years worth of excessive permits, reviews and other red tape. Remove restrictive zoning laws. Remove neighbors being able to veto my property because it would cast a shadow in their garden for 6 minutes a year.

And no, "too bad, go live in the middle of nowhere" isn't an acceptable answer.

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There are reasons for that, but they are generally bad ones involving people not wanting to live near other people who look like the author of the article, even if they won't say that part out loud. Higher density housing is a massive component of building lower carbon footprint cities, as well as making our cities more financially resilient. It's also something that can increase equity a lot by giving people with lo…

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https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/sta...

Re: Investors bought a quarter of US homes sold last year

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In 2012 I was looking at investing in REITs. One REIT's pitch was that they owned such a large percentage of the rental housing in Tampa Florida, that even though vacancy rates were high, and rents were going down throughout the nation and other areas in the state of Florida, they were able to keep rents high in Tampa. Disgusted, I realized the harm that REITs and private equity are doing to housing markets, and want…

the worst aspect of this is that these landlord corporations are of course going to be paying off politicians to create laws, regs etc that will further restrict and make more costly the building of new housing... it's a vicious circle

Re: Investors bought a quarter of US homes sold last year

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There are reasons for that, but they are generally bad ones involving people not wanting to live near other people who look like the author of the article, even if they won't say that part out loud. Higher density housing is a massive component of building lower carbon footprint cities, as well as making our cities more financially resilient. It's also something that can increase equity a lot by giving people with lo…

The author: https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/sta...

I'm talking about the author of the article I cited, Jerusalem Demsas.

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Hilarious sure, but also sad and concerning. I'm tentatively alright with the idea of renting forever and never owning property... but with rent increasing and investors buying up more and more property, it looks like things will get uglier and uglier. I am not alright with paying absurdly high rent.

Well, the idea that owner will be saddled with serious repair and maintenance whereas renter on virtue of being a renter will just move out to house on next street risk free seems unsustainable to me. Increasing rents are a kind of distributing risks of costly maintenance that renters doesn't want to care about.

I'd love to buy a house and take care of annoying/costly maintenance myself, but the cost of entry is 7 figures for a garbage home in my area. Sometimes I dream of fixing a fucked up pipe or replacing drywall, y'know?

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Hilarious sure, but also sad and concerning. I'm tentatively alright with the idea of renting forever and never owning property... but with rent increasing and investors buying up more and more property, it looks like things will get uglier and uglier. I am not alright with paying absurdly high rent.

"I'm tentatively alright with the idea of renting forever and never owning property" This sounds akin to feudal peonage.

Currently I'm unsure where I will/want to settle down.

I also manage to save some money monthly, which I invest in diverse markets. So my thinking is that at there isn't (or "shouldn't be") any rush for me to buy property.

But news like this obviously goes against that and will have me revisit the idea.

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> We need legislation that discourages housing as investment if we are to maintain housing as shelter. I'm looking forward to hearing how Vancouver's vacant house tax affects their market the next few years. It sounds like a good idea and I'm glad they're running that experiment. It's hard to predict how these things go over time.

They’ve had it for a few years. It hasn’t done squat. Turns out having 10 people and 9 homes remains a problem, even if you enact more policies. They’ve tried everything, except build enough homes. I’m under the impression this is the popular modern across North America

> It hasn't done squat.

You made me go look and I think you're wrong. It wasn't a silver bullet (shocker!) but it did add 18,000 units to the rental market in 2019 and 2020 and raised $231 million in tax revenue that was used to support affordable housing developments.

https://news.gov.bc.ca/files/SVT_Annual_Mayors_Consultation_...

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There are reasons for that, but they are generally bad ones involving people not wanting to live near other people who look like the author of the article, even if they won't say that part out loud. Higher density housing is a massive component of building lower carbon footprint cities, as well as making our cities more financially resilient. It's also something that can increase equity a lot by giving people with lo…

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Re: Investors bought a quarter of US homes sold last year

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In 2012 I was looking at investing in REITs. One REIT's pitch was that they owned such a large percentage of the rental housing in Tampa Florida, that even though vacancy rates were high, and rents were going down throughout the nation and other areas in the state of Florida, they were able to keep rents high in Tampa. Disgusted, I realized the harm that REITs and private equity are doing to housing markets, and want…

We have spent decades telling American families that homeownership is the safest investment. We then spent decades enacting policies to ensure this is true. Do we think investors were going to just sit that out and ignore a safe and government protected investment? Of course the more attractive we make home ownership as an investment, the more investors will flock to the market. We need policies specifically benefiti…

>> We have spent decades telling American families that homeownership is the safest investment.

Home ownership is a key part of retirement, as reducing monthly bills is critical and rent is a big one. It has been a fairly profitable investment for 30 years of decreasing interest rates, but it is no longer so.

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