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Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by pm90 » Tue, Aug 23, 2022, 6:56 PM UTC

brianwawok wrote: post #95

pm90 wrote: post #88

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> I have to rain on your parade but there are many aspects of life in India that money cannot solve. I am no fan of the USA either but the "gun culture" thing is a strawman that doesn't affect daily life in the cities. It is certainly a problem but not a problem that many make it out to be. Be careful with the healthcare argument too. India's legal and police systems are a joke and their healthcare system is cheap bu…

> I have to disagree with both. Guns are a constant threat, even in the bluest of cities since there are Red States just a few hours of drive away (if you're not already a Blue City in a Red State which is extremely common). The threat of school shooting is very real. Kids have to go through bs "active shooter drills"... this is not the sign of a healthy society. Sorry you are buying far too much into the news. I sus…

If you’re gonna wildly speculate then by all means go ahead and make up the most wildest shit imaginable.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by soniman » Tue, Aug 23, 2022, 6:59 PM UTC

So brain drain is bad (when it happens to Russia) but good (when the US does it to India)? India is a desperately poor country that needs Indian entrepreneurs. It's ridiculous to frame this as a loss to the US. It is a loss to the world if the desperately poor in India are never lifted out of poverty by their own best and brightest. The US should encourage them to stay in India.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Aug 23, 2022, 6:59 PM UTC

ralphmelish wrote: post #98

throw0821374 wrote: post #92

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Get a license for what? I don't really understand the relationship between bureaucracy and buying a book... You can buy anything you like from anywhere in the world, pay your duty online, and have it delivered to your door. I did it a couple of times with DHL, Royal Mail, and never had any issues.

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Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by sauravjain » Tue, Aug 23, 2022, 7:00 PM UTC

didip wrote: post #74

aldebran wrote: post #16

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This is unfortunately still the case. H1B lottery is still a thing. I had to lose a team member and the person saw a similar email in their inbox. Sucks!

The lottery is still a thing but not for India and China.

wdym by this? it most definitely is still a lottery

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by abc_lisper » Tue, Aug 23, 2022, 7:02 PM UTC

throw0821374 wrote: post #99

noufalibrahim wrote: post #78

This is definitely an inspiring story but isn't it an isolated data point? On average, the US has a lot of things going for it for a young software professional if he or she can navigate the immigration maze and is reasonably lucky. Might not be for everyone but for the average person, getting a cushy job in a large company might be better for stability and long term satisfaction that risking it on an attempt to crea…

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They also make choices and compromises people in US don't. Every interaction in India is loaded with suspicion. Dishonesty is the baseline. Disrespect is the norm. Xenophobia is common. Insecurity is the guiding North Star. Entitlement is prevalent. Hard work is looked down. Rules are for fools and loyalty (however earned/enforced) is everything. I love my country, but those are the facts.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by renewiltord » Tue, Aug 23, 2022, 7:03 PM UTC

Temporary_31337 wrote: post #64

Can anyone point me to how much the guy had actually earned? I feel that if he’d stayed in the US and earned Microsoft stock options he’d be much better off financially

Absolutely impossible that MS stock options as a Software Engineer in 2007 gave you $200m plus today.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by cercatrova » Tue, Aug 23, 2022, 7:03 PM UTC

dxbydt wrote: post #26

In the early 1990s when I came here, the prevailing wisdom was that its categorically better to immigrate to the US from India if you get a chance. India was too far back in the tech space, too much bureaucracy, corruption, red-tape etc etc... In the 2020s, the consensus is quite mixed. A lot of people I personally worked with, who successfully got their visas and green cards, have given it all up and gone straight b…

One reason not to go back to India: climate change and heat. People are basically burning alive there and due to the high population, many people will starve in the coming decades as droughts cause crop failures. This will cause food and water wars as rising instability of the subcontinent means many people will need asylum. The area will not be geopolitically, financially, or otherwise stable in such a time. If I were a betting person, I'd move as close to the poles as possible in the coming future.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by triceratops » Tue, Aug 23, 2022, 7:04 PM UTC

time_to_smile wrote: post #93

paxys wrote: post #27

US immigration policies for Indian and Chinese nationals has been a blessing for their home grown tech ecosystem. There is no path to a green card or citizenship for anyone who immigrated in the last ~15 years, and the top 5% talent that used to come over by default is now working at or founding companies at home instead. This is directly correlated to the number of tech unicorns in these countries growing exponentia…

> There is no path to a green card or citizenship for anyone who immigrated One thing I find really strange as an American, is that while our immigration system could be improved, in both China and India there is absolutely no way for a US Citizen to get permanent residency. Not "it's really hard" or "takes a long time", but short of maybe being a billionaire or world famous athlete, a non-Chinese/Indian simply canno…

That doesn't seem to be true for India, at least.[1]

People legally resident for 12 years can apply to naturalize. And spouses can just register to get citizenship.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_nationality_law#Volunta...

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by game_the0ry » Tue, Aug 23, 2022, 7:08 PM UTC

Arguably, Asian industry (India specifically), has much more room to grow - the west is is where things happened, Asia is where things are happening.

But East and South Asians immigration will continue. Being "westernized" (usually western education and green card) is valuable as a source of social prestige - having a US masters degree makes you attractive in the marriage market and in social circles.[1]

[1] I am South Asian.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by amf12 » Tue, Aug 23, 2022, 7:10 PM UTC

eldaisfish wrote: post #60

dxbydt wrote: post #26

In the early 1990s when I came here, the prevailing wisdom was that its categorically better to immigrate to the US from India if you get a chance. India was too far back in the tech space, too much bureaucracy, corruption, red-tape etc etc... In the 2020s, the consensus is quite mixed. A lot of people I personally worked with, who successfully got their visas and green cards, have given it all up and gone straight b…

be careful generalising india because anything that one can claim, the opposite is also true. A major reason countries like the USA and the UK flourish is stability. Stability is not something india has and that is a very difficult thing to put a price on. Indian capital markets are not transparent though that is less of an issue for startups. What should be telling is the number of "Indian" startups that are registe…

> their healthcare system is cheap but kills millions every year due to medical negligence.

This is a problem money can solve though. If you have the money, you can get pretty good medical care in India. "cheap but kills millions" isn't really a problem faced by most people who have the money to afford it.

> The US healthcare system - for all its flaws - has some of the best outcomes provided you have enough money to access it.

> Exactly. You need the money in the US to just be able to afford healthcare here. There are millions of people who don't have insurance (private, medicare), or have expensive deductibles to make healthcare out of reach for some.