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Re: Remote startups will win the war for top talent

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I never really understood why people say productivity and socializing is difficult remote. It's difficult because people aren't putting thought into it. At my last big-co job the leadership just kept waiting for 'covid to be over' and not improving our remote work culture. Hybrid models will always struggle and 1/3/1 is going to be probably the best you can do. My company is fully remote, we embraced the GitLab model…

Have you made good friends amongst your colleagues in your remote company, during the remote-work era ? All the trustworthy people i know from work were people i socialized with in person, at the office, around coffe-breaks, post-work drinks, etc. I don't see something similar happening over Zoom meetings and my guess is that 95% of people are like me in that regards. Now, this may not be a big deal over the short-te…

> Have you made good friends amongst your colleagues in your remote company, during the remote-work era ?

Not the OP, but I certainly have. It takes some effort, but it's not particularly difficult if you know and understand how to communicate effectively over a remote medium. It requires an understanding of how communications attenuate over a screen--you need to project!, in-person-normal levels of reservation tends to seem unfriendly. It requires not just strong writing and reading comprehension skills, but reflexively strong capabilities in both of those areas; it needs to be inherent enough that you aren't "turning it on", you're just doing it. And I'm sure some people can't do that. But I've been making friends on the Internet, as well as in person, for about thirty years now, and I've now started two separate jobs since March 2020 and I've met people I'd consider good friends at both of them.

Re: Remote startups will win the war for top talent

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"A study conducted on the main campus of a Fortune 500 company found that just 10 percent of all communications occurred between employees whose desks were more than 500 meters apart. This suggests that once companies span multiple floors, buildings, or campuses, they’ve already lost much of the collaborative value of being “in the office” together." This point often seems to get missed. If you're at a large company,…

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Re: Remote startups will win the war for top talent

#133
post #26

"A study conducted on the main campus of a Fortune 500 company found that just 10 percent of all communications occurred between employees whose desks were more than 500 meters apart. This suggests that once companies span multiple floors, buildings, or campuses, they’ve already lost much of the collaborative value of being “in the office” together." This point often seems to get missed. If you're at a large company,…

Isn’t an alternative explanation that companies locate people that need to communicate near each other? Why would we assume you are equally likely to want to communicate with every other employee.

That assumption was not made by GP. A sufficiently large company will encounter this problem no matter how well they try to solve the NP-hard problem of efficiently allocating workspaces.

Re: Remote startups will win the war for top talent

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i think if you had 2 teams working on the same type of thing and one was 100% remote across 6 time zones and one was 100% concentrated in one city with a office they could go to and only required 1 day/week the concentrated team would have a better working relationship with each other. this depends on the people more than anything. and it’s not guaranteed. but i’d say more times than not the people seeing each other in person would enjoy their work more

Re: Remote startups will win the war for top talent

#135

I never really understood why people say productivity and socializing is difficult remote. It's difficult because people aren't putting thought into it. At my last big-co job the leadership just kept waiting for 'covid to be over' and not improving our remote work culture. Hybrid models will always struggle and 1/3/1 is going to be probably the best you can do. My company is fully remote, we embraced the GitLab model…

I feel much more socially connected with my remote team than I ever did in an office.

I had such a hard time focusing in the office that whenever I'd finally achieve momentum, somebody stopping by to chat was bittersweet--it might be another several hours before I manage to reacquire that state. Usually I'd just waste time until everybody went home and then do my actual job in an empty office. I grew to resent them a teensy bit because their social habits had me "working" 12 hour days.

Being remote, we use a slack app called donut (no affiliation, I just like it). It prompts me every week:

> You've been randomly paired with so-and-so, here are several times that you're both available

We pick one and have a 30 minute chat. Explicitly making time for social stuff really changes the equation. I'm working only 8 hrs a day for the first time since I started working a salaried job.

Re: Remote startups will win the war for top talent

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you considered that those of your view and those espousing that remote is more difficult might have different personalities, levels of need of social interaction, or lifestyles? Have you considered that your company is self-selecting for those who flourish in remote, but that those whose personalities differ are self-selecting for working in an office environment? It's OK for there to not be a one size fits all…

Throughout my career it's been my experience that the type of people you describe are never the top performers, and seldom average performers. The ones craving social interactions often are just looking for distractions (like spending too long at the water cooler chatting) cause either they hate their job, hate the work, can't do the actual work or view work (exchange of labour/time for money) as a predominantly soci…

> I get paid the same if it takes me 4 hours or 8 hours to complete my work. I'll take 4 hours and spend the rest of the day doing what I want

This. working remotely you have the HUGE advantage of being able to work enough and spend the rest of your working time as you prefer, rather than waste it. Even if you deeply love your teammates, having more time for yourself is priceless, especially in a society where you're supposed to spend the most and the best of your life working.

Re: Remote startups will win the war for top talent

#137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you considered that those of your view and those espousing that remote is more difficult might have different personalities, levels of need of social interaction, or lifestyles? Have you considered that your company is self-selecting for those who flourish in remote, but that those whose personalities differ are self-selecting for working in an office environment? It's OK for there to not be a one size fits all…

Throughout my career it's been my experience that the type of people you describe are never the top performers, and seldom average performers. The ones craving social interactions often are just looking for distractions (like spending too long at the water cooler chatting) cause either they hate their job, hate the work, can't do the actual work or view work (exchange of labour/time for money) as a predominantly soci…

Not everyone has your job function.

Not all job roles are the same and communication can be required for many. Building good rapport can help reduce tensions as well and being in person can help that.

Re: Remote startups will win the war for top talent

#138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you considered that those of your view and those espousing that remote is more difficult might have different personalities, levels of need of social interaction, or lifestyles? Have you considered that your company is self-selecting for those who flourish in remote, but that those whose personalities differ are self-selecting for working in an office environment? It's OK for there to not be a one size fits all…

Throughout my career it's been my experience that the type of people you describe are never the top performers, and seldom average performers. The ones craving social interactions often are just looking for distractions (like spending too long at the water cooler chatting) cause either they hate their job, hate the work, can't do the actual work or view work (exchange of labour/time for money) as a predominantly soci…

Disclaimer: Working for remote-only company.

“People that like social interaction are average performers” is such a wild take to me. I’ve worked with incredibly talented people in the past, where we’d go for lunch beers, travel together, come back to the office, finish up pretty complicated features. I don’t consider myself a “top performer”, but those people certainly were, and downplaying their talent and abilities just because they enjoy the company of other people is just… not nice.

This whole debate of “remote only” vs “fully back to office” is extremely subjective. Some people love one, some people enjoy the other. I’ll be happy as long as both of the options stay competitive enough where people get a choice.

Re: Remote startups will win the war for top talent

#139
post #26

"A study conducted on the main campus of a Fortune 500 company found that just 10 percent of all communications occurred between employees whose desks were more than 500 meters apart. This suggests that once companies span multiple floors, buildings, or campuses, they’ve already lost much of the collaborative value of being “in the office” together." This point often seems to get missed. If you're at a large company,…

Isn’t an alternative explanation that companies locate people that need to communicate near each other? Why would we assume you are equally likely to want to communicate with every other employee.

No. Many companies group by discipline. A self sufficient actor rarely needs to talk with someone else just for sharing the same discipline. On the other hand, having no one to relate to can also be a problem, and enough people are not consistently self sufficient to make grouping trivial.

Then you couple that with the fact companies love one-size-fits-all solutions.

Re: Remote startups will win the war for top talent

#140

I never really understood why people say productivity and socializing is difficult remote. It's difficult because people aren't putting thought into it. At my last big-co job the leadership just kept waiting for 'covid to be over' and not improving our remote work culture. Hybrid models will always struggle and 1/3/1 is going to be probably the best you can do. My company is fully remote, we embraced the GitLab model…

Have you considered that those of your view and those espousing that remote is more difficult might have different personalities, levels of need of social interaction, or lifestyles? Have you considered that your company is self-selecting for those who flourish in remote, but that those whose personalities differ are self-selecting for working in an office environment? It's OK for there to not be a one size fits all…

> It's OK for there to not be a one size fits all solution.

What? Nuanced thinking? No, we need a million click bait articles and BS business books about how going remote will help you win at everything no matter who you are or what your business is. Then when problems arise we can get another million click bait articles and BS business books about how remote is terrible and doesn't work... again no matter who you are or what you're doing.

How else will a generation of consultants make a living helping guide "remote transformations" and then another generation of consultants make a living doing the opposite?

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