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Remote startups will win the war for top talent

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Re: Remote startups will win the war for top talent

#31
The $1M question in my mind is:

Will wages in, say, Lagos or Buenos Aires rise to SF/NYC levels? Or will the reverse happen?

Economics says that it depends on the value of the labor, but cost of living matters too (or at least, has in the past within say, the USA).

I think this essay https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/software-engineering-sala... shows evidence that says the answer is "yes", that we'll see a weird fracturing of labor markets.

Re: Remote startups will win the war for top talent

#32
One interesting spin on this is the question "what new competitor would you be most afraid of? 100% remote, hybrid or in person team?"

The poll I saw overwhelmingly had "in person team" as the competitor that is most dangerous.

Talent isn't just about hiring the right people, but getting the most out of them. With 100% remote you're also selecting for people that want to be more comfortable or unsupervised. It could be a good or bad.

Re: Remote startups will win the war for top talent

#33

I never really understood why people say productivity and socializing is difficult remote. It's difficult because people aren't putting thought into it. At my last big-co job the leadership just kept waiting for 'covid to be over' and not improving our remote work culture. Hybrid models will always struggle and 1/3/1 is going to be probably the best you can do. My company is fully remote, we embraced the GitLab model…

>Hybrid models will always struggle and 1/3/1 What does 1/3/1 refer to?

Monday work from home.

Tue-Thur work in office.

Friday work from home.

Re: Remote startups will win the war for top talent

#34
post #6

I always think this is a funny argument because most companies don't need top talent. For nearly every business, good enough is definitely good enough. So the question to me is for average to slightly above average employees, will remote companies "win"?

It can still be a lot cheaper to hire good enough talent remotely.

If you're an average company in California you can hire good enough, remote talent 2-3 times cheaper remotely than if you had to hire locally. Just compare avg developer salaries in US vs Europe. "Slightly above average" developers in Europe can do the same job twice as cheap.

Re: Remote startups will win the war for top talent

#35

That might be true, but this is probably the beginning of sharply declining developer salaries. If you're going remote, a developer in California is going to be competing with devleopers in Kansas, not to mention overseas. The era of people fresh out of a developer bootcamp getting six figure salaries is all but done.

Besides for entry-level positions, there's still huge shortages of software engineers. There's no reason to expect the secular technology trends of the past 30 years, software eating the world, to suddenly reverse just because of one business cycle. Becoming a good software engineer is probably equally as difficult as becoming a good doctor, attorney, accountant or corporate manager. So low-to-mid six figures seems like a floor.

Re: Remote startups will win the war for top talent

#36

I never really understood why people say productivity and socializing is difficult remote. It's difficult because people aren't putting thought into it. At my last big-co job the leadership just kept waiting for 'covid to be over' and not improving our remote work culture. Hybrid models will always struggle and 1/3/1 is going to be probably the best you can do. My company is fully remote, we embraced the GitLab model…

How do you replicate water cooler talk in a fully remote environment? Do people do work while tuned in to a meeting where anyone can drop in and talk to them?

Re: Remote startups will win the war for top talent

#37

I never really understood why people say productivity and socializing is difficult remote. It's difficult because people aren't putting thought into it. At my last big-co job the leadership just kept waiting for 'covid to be over' and not improving our remote work culture. Hybrid models will always struggle and 1/3/1 is going to be probably the best you can do. My company is fully remote, we embraced the GitLab model…

Have you considered that those of your view and those espousing that remote is more difficult might have different personalities, levels of need of social interaction, or lifestyles?

Have you considered that your company is self-selecting for those who flourish in remote, but that those whose personalities differ are self-selecting for working in an office environment?

It's OK for there to not be a one size fits all solution.

Re: Remote startups will win the war for top talent

#38
post #22

Okay, how about a tad more nuance though. The better headline would be "Remote Startups will win the war for top talent among employees who prefer to work remotely" Not quite so sexy. Sure some; probably even most software devs prefer remote/hybrid work, but there are still plenty of incredibly talented people out there who prefer being in the office every day.

I worked for 2 years in Silicon Valley with a WFH policy that I used maybe 2 days total (once for a package and the other for apartment maintenance). If you live close to work commuting isn't so bad. I need physical space in my life. Ideally every day of the week would have a commute to a different location.
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