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Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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People have been noticing this a lot recently but what nobody seems to know is that this is a form of money laundering/“scamming.” I know because I used to be active on crime forums and talked to some of the people who engineered this scheme. People will set up fake Spotify artist accounts with stolen identities and bank accounts, pay a musician for songs that pass as music, and then bot millions of streams on them.…

So the interesting bit is that there are hundreds of thousands or millions of Bot accounts streaming music on Spotify? Wouldn't this have massive implications for their Ad Revenue model?

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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With the success of AI content generation for text (GPT-3 etc.) and images (DALL-E etc.), it seems inevitable that music will soon be targeted as well, if not already. What's particularly interesting in the music sphere is that there are already well-established trends towards building a sort of ambient, atmospheric, generated soundscape. (For example, the famous "Lo-Fi girl" stream.) AI-generated content is a very n…

OpenAI (the people behind GPT-3) already make one. It's called JukeBox. It can even make new unique songs in the style of existing artists with a simulation of their vocal style.

https://openai.com/blog/jukebox/

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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People have been noticing this a lot recently but what nobody seems to know is that this is a form of money laundering/“scamming.” I know because I used to be active on crime forums and talked to some of the people who engineered this scheme. People will set up fake Spotify artist accounts with stolen identities and bank accounts, pay a musician for songs that pass as music, and then bot millions of streams on them.…

That's really interesting - although when I read that story I thought the point was the broken recommendation system. Happens to me a lot on Youtube too - you watch just one thing - and now your recommendations are full of things like that one thing . Or Facebook/Youtube, somehow: I watched a single video on Youtube about Viking sword fighting and suddenly my people recommendations on Facebook were at least 20% milit…

It's not a broken recommendation system, it IS the recommendation system.

With respect to news, these systems are driving polarization in politics.

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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I am waiting for services to give up on purely algorithmic approaches and start exploring recommendations based on other users whose tastes the user likes. Even better if you could have different clusters of selected users for different occasions.

How will you know if user is a real person?

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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As a father of a young child, Spotify's algo's are completely useless to me. If their ML is so smart it should be able to determine that Row row row your boat doesn't mix well with Anthrax. Wish I'd be able to toggle 'don't recommend kids music' somewhere.

I agree. There are some playlists and songs I only listen to in the gym, and similar songs constantly float to the top of Spotify's recommendations for me due to gym being 3x week. I did consider creating another "gym-only" user on our Family plan, but Spotify should really have a way to create named contexts for the one user. e.g. commute, gym, run, working from home, on a plane, etc.

Hell, Spotify should use GPS tagging on your plays and determine "oh look, these songs are only played here, and always skipped elsewhere, hmmmm."

But that is too complicated!

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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People have been noticing this a lot recently but what nobody seems to know is that this is a form of money laundering/“scamming.” I know because I used to be active on crime forums and talked to some of the people who engineered this scheme. People will set up fake Spotify artist accounts with stolen identities and bank accounts, pay a musician for songs that pass as music, and then bot millions of streams on them.…

That's really interesting - although when I read that story I thought the point was the broken recommendation system. Happens to me a lot on Youtube too - you watch just one thing - and now your recommendations are full of things like that one thing . Or Facebook/Youtube, somehow: I watched a single video on Youtube about Viking sword fighting and suddenly my people recommendations on Facebook were at least 20% milit…

That's the worst, on top of youtube replaying the same track(s) you just listened to in the last 5-10 minutes in loop.

One can only handle so much Cotton Eye Joe and Black Betty...

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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Let's not forget the reverse scam: Music Business Worldwide’s story explains how the moneymaking trick worked. “Soulful Music” had 467 songs by virtually unknown artists — which is to say, artists who may have been created for the purpose of this alleged scheme. The vast majority of songs were about 30 seconds long, which is the minimum length a song needs to be to count as a monetized play on the service. The most p…

Yes, it's very important piece of Spotify's rev share model, it has arbitrage built in(!), most people are not aware of this. Spotify pays PER STREAM, meaning that a bot account can funnel a massively disproportionate amount of revenue compared to a human one. In fact, you can generate more revenue than your subscription costs. Artists have complained about this forever, because 24/7 playlists at the gym with Justin…

i cannot fathom how your example here supports the idea that Bieber playing 24/7 in a gym is stealing money from the niche artist who are listen to by only a handful of fans?

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't these end up in separate mixes, though? My 13 year old makes a lot of grime requests on road trips etc. and now I have a separate grime mix under my top mixes.

driving to grime sounds like hell, that's parental dedication right there

Can't be much worse than "Jenny" on loop for hours on end, heh.
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