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Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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Spotify is missing user profiles, in the Netflix fashion.

spotify is usually on people's personal device like a phone not on communal device at home like a TV.

I would consider Alexa a communal device. Spotify is heavily used there in households. Source: worked on Alexa.

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How is this money laundering? If you use dirty money to sign up to Spotify and listen to specific songs so that you get some of the money “clean” back wouldn’t that in case of Spotify be the dumbest and most inefficient way of laundering in the history of money laundering? I mean doesn’t Spotify keep the majority so you’re essentially donating dirty money into the stock price of Spotify for the most part, no?

Not necessarily. Let's say you get a burner phone and hook it up at home. You need internet and electricity of course. Buy a Spotify gift card for $10 USD cash, use that to get Spotify Premium (first use the three months free of course). Play your (artists') songs, 30 seconds each (considered one stream by Spotify). That's 2880 streams per hour, 86400 streams per month. Spotify pays around $2-$4 USD per 1000 streams,…

Sorry, but wow you got this wrong. I’m not sure if it was just a guess or something, but look at the comment below for what it actually is. The money laundering is in the form of purchasing botted streams.

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I used Spotify to play music at a children's party. I am still getting recommendations for "Happy Birthday" months later. According to Spotify, it goes very well with Sheryl Crow and R.E.M.

Almost every monday when the "discover weekly" is rebuilt i get new songs which are not in english. I have no non-english songs in any of my playlists and when they show up on discover weekly i flag them. I would think that recommending me Spanish/Russian music when my entire collection is english should flag a problem with the system? Yet week after week at least one song on discover weekly is in some foreign langua…

Why would you only listen to English songs?

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Spotify's recommendation system is so bad, that when I find a song I like, I put it into Pandora's free tier to find more songs. I hate how Spotify likes to prioritize every other song from that artist, and every other song from that genre, over songs from other artists and genres that sound similar to the song I want recommendations for. Pandora seems to prioritize the sound of the song, and actually finds similar s…

Sites like Pandora, and many other "underdog" sites, operate as expected because they are trying desperately to please users in a bid to capture market share. Once they gain market dominance they begin to operate in an unexpected/unfavorable manner, just like Spotify does now, because "tailored" recommendations (strategic content recommendations) generates the most annual revenue for them. The saying "power corrupts"…

> Spotify manipulates recommendations to what makes them the most money, not necessarily what is best for user satisfaction.

I was once a heavy user of Pandora, I am now a heavy user of Spotify, and I'm considering switching back. I think you're right.

But, having experienced both services at the peak of their quality, I think "stronglikedan" is correct, that Pandora has a greater ability (in addition to a greater desire) to analyze the way that music sounds.

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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This is the TikTok-ification of music. The required response is the same here, as it is to the consumption of any other media, which is the same as when ordering food. Don't order food out of a random dark kitchen. Order from a brick and mortar restaurant you know . Don't use algorithmic feeds to discover video. Find a channel/producer you like and watch that. The same applies to music. Assume everything fed to you i…

https://www.kexp.org/

Eclectic music curated by real DJ’s, you’re welcome.

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> Happens to me a lot on Youtube too - you watch just one thing - and now your recommendations are full of things like that one thing. Spotify's recommendation system is much better than youtube's (at least for me). I frequently "joke" that it is one of the few applications of ML that actively make my life as a consumer better. Having been following Spotify's "Discover Weekly" for several years now, I'm actually real…

As a father of a young child, Spotify's algo's are completely useless to me. If their ML is so smart it should be able to determine that Row row row your boat doesn't mix well with Anthrax. Wish I'd be able to toggle 'don't recommend kids music' somewhere.

THIS! People have been asking for different listening profiles for ages. But they keep ignoring those feature requests in their community websites.

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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post #160

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> Happens to me a lot on Youtube too - you watch just one thing - and now your recommendations are full of things like that one thing. Spotify's recommendation system is much better than youtube's (at least for me). I frequently "joke" that it is one of the few applications of ML that actively make my life as a consumer better. Having been following Spotify's "Discover Weekly" for several years now, I'm actually real…

As a father of a young child, Spotify's algo's are completely useless to me. If their ML is so smart it should be able to determine that Row row row your boat doesn't mix well with Anthrax. Wish I'd be able to toggle 'don't recommend kids music' somewhere.

dunno, "Indians" could probably be made to work with "row, row, row your boat" lyrics.

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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Spotify is missing user profiles, in the Netflix fashion.

spotify is usually on people's personal device like a phone not on communal device at home like a TV.

People use it to play white noise for their babies which makes all the future song recommendations useless

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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post #160

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As a father of a young child, Spotify's algo's are completely useless to me. If their ML is so smart it should be able to determine that Row row row your boat doesn't mix well with Anthrax. Wish I'd be able to toggle 'don't recommend kids music' somewhere.

Don't these end up in separate mixes, though? My 13 year old makes a lot of grime requests on road trips etc. and now I have a separate grime mix under my top mixes.

They do, but recently my weekly discover is infused with kids songs. And it’s taken a few weeks ok ignoring those tracks to get them out.

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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People have been noticing this a lot recently but what nobody seems to know is that this is a form of money laundering/“scamming.” I know because I used to be active on crime forums and talked to some of the people who engineered this scheme. People will set up fake Spotify artist accounts with stolen identities and bank accounts, pay a musician for songs that pass as music, and then bot millions of streams on them.…

That's really interesting - although when I read that story I thought the point was the broken recommendation system. Happens to me a lot on Youtube too - you watch just one thing - and now your recommendations are full of things like that one thing . Or Facebook/Youtube, somehow: I watched a single video on Youtube about Viking sword fighting and suddenly my people recommendations on Facebook were at least 20% milit…

> Happens to me a lot on Youtube too - you watch just one thing - and now your recommendations are full of things like that one thing.

I've heard reports of this happening but for well over a year, YouTube was still recommending relatively high quality videos to me that went along with my interests.

Until last week.

Somehow, somewhere along the line I must have clicked on some sort of "influencer" video. Now all I see are hundreds of hyper Minecraft videos, "I filled my house with 1 million packing peanuts" videos, etc. I have tried manually searching for some of the topics that interest me again, but these influencer-type videos still overrule whatever I try to manually teach it.

I don't know what happened, but it has ruined it for me.

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