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The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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Doesn't the system eat itself in the end? False flag 10%, remove those users, falsely flag some more, remove them, and so on until all that's left are people who don't use it or just send pictures of their food?

Where will those flagged users go? The point of FAANG is that they are monopolies.

Offline? If the system is as automated and un-appealable as the doom posters are saying, their lives are ruined and they're banned from those platforms forever.

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I know that part. But in this case another user, who seems to be european, calls my experience in Eastern europe „American paranoia“.

It feels like some people have such a strong irrational love for certain political system that they can't accept that some people dislike it for valid reasons.

Maybe actual American paranoia is when people blame US of A for whatever when their arguments run out.

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Germany has many anti-privacy laws like the Impressum system which forces website owners to essentially dox themselves on a public webpage. I’m not sure where the misconception that Germany had strong privacy laws came from.

I've long believed this, but surprisingly, very few Germans I've spoken to feel this way about it, admittedly my sample is Berlin-centric, so perhaps that isn't a very good litmus test for general German sentiment considering the demographics of Berlin consist of a lot of non-Germans who likely aren't that clued-up, and that perhaps skews sentiment as a whole.

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Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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Especially because in the US we already do this and the sky hasn’t fallen. Storage providers and hosting services already scan for it and popular chat apps block sending matching images client side. Like everyone saying this is the spiral to dystopia has to contend with the fact that we’re already apparently living in one.

The sky hasn’t fallen?? Have you read https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/21/technology/google-surveil... ?

Not the first of such stories either:

https://borncity.com/win/2020/08/16/microsoft-kontensperrung...

This is why I explicitly make on-site backups of anything that's in the cloud and don't store my passwords with Apple. If they suddenly decided I had CSAM for some reason, I'd be locked out of everything.

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> This is why google street view sucks in Germany. Street view in Germany sucks because very rarely there will be a pixelated building front?

Street view in Germany sucks because Google didn't want to deal with so many pixelation requests, so they drastically reduced the coverage.

Those requests would neither have been possible nor come in by such numbers if Germans were not privacy-aware.

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99% of people are simply not capable of making or even comprehending the relevance of probability-weighted utility calculations. This has predictable and deeply unfortunate effects on the political process.

"If even one child is protected, then it was all worth it"

Or conversely, "Thank you child. Your abuse, was all worth it."

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> like Germany, with all due respect to the Germans who still care about their privacy What are you talking about? The german speaking world cares (maybe a bit too much) about privacy. This is why google street view sucks in Germany. NOYB - European Center for Digital Rights is headquartered in Vienna.

Germany has many anti-privacy laws like the Impressum system which forces website owners to essentially dox themselves on a public webpage. I’m not sure where the misconception that Germany had strong privacy laws came from.

Personal privacy is different than commercial privacy I guess

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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As an EU citizen I didn't know exactly what that Chat Control thing was, so I web searched it: > The EU wants to oblige providers to search all private chats, messages, and emails automatically for suspicious content – generally and indiscriminately. The stated aim: To prosecute child pornography. [1] Yeah, that will go down well, a central government checking our private conversations for "suspicious content". Of co…

> and it sickens me to see that my privacy depends on countries and electorates on which I have no say

The problem isn't "foreign rule".

The Swiss, famously independent, have one of the worst surveillance laws.

Doesn't chat control require unanimity in the EU council? If yes, if it happens, it will be because of 'your own' politicians.

Also, the EU parliament votes on this, and small countries have more power than large ones there, more votes per citizen

Lots of these laws are being independently adopted all around the world.

I will believe this is a foreign rule issue once you can show me one democratic country that consistently opposes internet surveillance and defends privacy and rejects 4-horseman based bogeyman politics. And where big countries pressure it to change that.

All countries are susceptible to this brand of demagoguery.

I will grant that the size of the EU enables it to pass surveillance laws that would otherwise not happen - any single EU member state would not be able to suggest change to global law the way the EU can. But then theres China, the US.

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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As an EU citizen I didn't know exactly what that Chat Control thing was, so I web searched it: > The EU wants to oblige providers to search all private chats, messages, and emails automatically for suspicious content – generally and indiscriminately. The stated aim: To prosecute child pornography. [1] Yeah, that will go down well, a central government checking our private conversations for "suspicious content". Of co…

You don't need to leave Europe. You can use an open platform like Linux and relevant tools, and also educate your close ones what is going on. My experience is they're using spying tools such as WhatsApp or Messenger out of inertia, but when they learn about privacy concerns, they are willing to use an alternative solution, and this is something that spreads around.
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