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The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats
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#263Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Which means it's pretty much unconstitutional. In the USA, I guess. But this is an EU proposal; the EU doesn't have a constitution.
But individual countries within the EU can and do have constitutions. Here's title 2, chapter 2, article 28[1] of Romania's constitution: > Secretul scrisorilor, al telegramelor, al altor trimiteri poştale, al convorbirilor telefonice şi al celorlalte mijloace legale de comunicare este inviolabil. > Secrecy of the letters, telegrams and other postal communications, of telephone conversations, and of any other legal m…
A number of Eastern European countries joined the EU without first bringing their domestic legislation into line with the European treaties. Unsurprisingly, some of those countries have dragged their feet about coming into compliance after the fact.
This is one reason I was in favour of Brexit.
That "title 2 chapter 2" seems reasonable enough to me; but it's a problem if an EU Regulation comes into conflict with the constitution of a member state. If a member state's constitution can override EU legislation, then there's no EU to speak of any more. Any state could then sidestep EU Regulation by simply passing a constitutional clause that declares it unconstitutional.
What I'm saying is that EU Regulations override the legislation of member states, which are required to be in compliance with Regulations. If Romania has a constitutional clause that is overridden by a new Regulation, that Regulation isn't unconstitutional; rather, the clause ceases to be law (or Romania leaves the EU).
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#264The only "good" thing is that the current German government is very skeptical about this and two of the current governing parties (the Greens and the liberal party) have also long been opposed to more surveillance. This was different with the previous government where the "law & order" mentality was much more entrenched, and which did nothing to prevent e.g. upload filters (despite promising to do so). So I try to ma…
The questions are indeed gold:
> 4. Does the COM share the view that recital 26 indicating that the use of end-to-end-encryption technology is an important tool to guarantee the security and confidentiality of the communications of users means that technologies used to detect child abuse shall not undermine end-to-end-encryption?
> 5. Could the COM please describe in detail on technology that does not break end-to-end-encryption, protect the terminal equipment and can still detect CSAM? Are there any technical or legal boundaries (existing or future) for using technologies to detect online child sexual abuse?
Mathematically speaking, they could have stopped at that point, but they went on.
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#265As an EU citizen I didn't know exactly what that Chat Control thing was, so I web searched it: > The EU wants to oblige providers to search all private chats, messages, and emails automatically for suspicious content – generally and indiscriminately. The stated aim: To prosecute child pornography. [1] Yeah, that will go down well, a central government checking our private conversations for "suspicious content". Of co…
> like Germany, with all due respect to the Germans who still care about their privacy What are you talking about? The german speaking world cares (maybe a bit too much) about privacy. This is why google street view sucks in Germany. NOYB - European Center for Digital Rights is headquartered in Vienna.
> This is why google street view sucks in Germany.
Street view in Germany sucks because very rarely there will be a pixelated building front?
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#267Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Which means it's pretty much unconstitutional. In the USA, I guess. But this is an EU proposal; the EU doesn't have a constitution.
But this is an EU proposal; the EU doesn't have a constitution. The European Convention on Human Rights applies in all EU member states.
The ECHR is a treaty, not a constitution.
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#268As an EU citizen I didn't know exactly what that Chat Control thing was, so I web searched it: > The EU wants to oblige providers to search all private chats, messages, and emails automatically for suspicious content – generally and indiscriminately. The stated aim: To prosecute child pornography. [1] Yeah, that will go down well, a central government checking our private conversations for "suspicious content". Of co…
" the only viable solution I see for my country is an exit from the EU,"
I suspect the privacy situation is much worse in most countries outside the EU.
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#269It is so tiring to see the constant efforts to erode our rights. Even if they succeed in creating a surveillance state, do they think that it will not blow up in their face one day? It will make violence and revolutions against the surveilling institutions innevitable, or maybe it is just wishful thinking...
Not while the average person is content. It won't matter until it personally affects them. And by then it will be WAAAAAY too late.
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#270Earlier quoted context omitted.
> like Germany, with all due respect to the Germans who still care about their privacy What are you talking about? The german speaking world cares (maybe a bit too much) about privacy. This is why google street view sucks in Germany. NOYB - European Center for Digital Rights is headquartered in Vienna.
Vienna is in Austria, not Germany
On that point Austrian privacy laws are insane. CCTV is a nightmare to set up there.
https://edpb.europa.eu/news/national-news/2018/first-austria...