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The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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post #174

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> > Does someone have recommendations for US based E-Mail providers which are reliable and "not free"? > Buy a refurbished server rack and mount it anywhere in US Not anywhere. You won't get very far trying to host an email server on a residential Internet connection.

As the old saying goes... Works on my machine.

You're very lucky, then. It's probably been 20 years or so since I've even bothered attempting using an email server on my residential connection.

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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As an EU citizen I didn't know exactly what that Chat Control thing was, so I web searched it:

> The EU wants to oblige providers to search all private chats, messages, and emails automatically for suspicious content – generally and indiscriminately. The stated aim: To prosecute child pornography. [1]

Yeah, that will go down well, a central government checking our private conversations for "suspicious content". Of course they would use the "think of the children" trope, they could also have gone with the "think of the bad terrorists" trope, but that would have been too American, too cowboy-ish, we need to feel special, we're Europeans, after all.

Minus some street protests I don't think we can actually stop this, and, even then, I have my very big doubts. It so happens that I live in the EU periphery (I still need to present my ID card if I want to travel to Budapest or West from there), and it sickens me to see that my privacy depends on countries and electorates on which I have no say (like Germany, with all due respect to the Germans who still care about their privacy). Why should my privacy be made fun of because of decisions taken by some people from half way around the continent with which I have no direct connection and no shared past? Did they have a Securitate-like thing? Many of them didn't, and even those that did (like the same Germans), it looks like it doesn't matter at this point, they're all too happy to see their private political conversations be scrutinised 24/7.

F. that, the only viable solution I see for my country is an exit from the EU, but the money (still) coming in from Bruxelles is too good to leave aside for pesky political principles, so of course that no serious politician from around these parts puts the problem that way.

[1] https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/messaging-and-chat-co...

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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The issue is that they might end up breaking encryption anyways as exited states.

Better to have a patchwork of occasional shitty laws from weak, small states than consistent and unified shitty laws with widespread enforcement.

The counter-argument is that nothing prevents governments coordinating on this in a supranational manner, anyway (cf. the planned, but fortunately rejected ACTA).

In the EU enforcement is mostly decentralised, anyway.

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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The only "good" thing is that the current German government is very skeptical about this and two of the current governing parties (the Greens and the liberal party) have also long been opposed to more surveillance. This was different with the previous government where the "law & order" mentality was much more entrenched, and which did nothing to prevent e.g. upload filters (despite promising to do so). So I try to ma…

Are you sure they're ideologically against it, or where they against it because they were in the opposition and it was convenient for them to be?

The Greens in Germany are basically a more serious/realistic Pirate party when the topic is related to the internet.

Honestly I vote Greens because of that alone. The fact that the rest of their program is sane is a cherry on top.

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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As an EU citizen I didn't know exactly what that Chat Control thing was, so I web searched it: > The EU wants to oblige providers to search all private chats, messages, and emails automatically for suspicious content – generally and indiscriminately. The stated aim: To prosecute child pornography. [1] Yeah, that will go down well, a central government checking our private conversations for "suspicious content". Of co…

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Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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The only "good" thing is that the current German government is very skeptical about this and two of the current governing parties (the Greens and the liberal party) have also long been opposed to more surveillance. This was different with the previous government where the "law & order" mentality was much more entrenched, and which did nothing to prevent e.g. upload filters (despite promising to do so). So I try to ma…

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Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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The only "good" thing is that the current German government is very skeptical about this and two of the current governing parties (the Greens and the liberal party) have also long been opposed to more surveillance. This was different with the previous government where the "law & order" mentality was much more entrenched, and which did nothing to prevent e.g. upload filters (despite promising to do so). So I try to ma…

Are you sure they’re not part of the group who wrote the law, only to pretend lobbying against it with, you can admit that, surface arguments which won’t rollback the idea of total control on private communications?

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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> Not to mention knives Bad example. We definitely do ban carrying large knives (blade length >X), butterfly knives etc. around with you. Relatedly Germany even punishes carrying around lockpicking tools (unless that is your job) -- just carrying them.

A sharp enough 3cm blade is more than enough to make someone bleed to death. A 5cm screwdriver is more than enough to give brain damage to someone. A flexible extension hose like the ones that go under the sink (with the nuts attached) is perfect for knocking someone out. A titanium tipped pen is quite good if you aim for ears, temple or throat. A tightly rolled newspaper makes a very good blunt weapon. Breaking/bann…

When I was a teenager (in the 90s in the UK), the police sent a guy to our school to tell us all about the new knife laws. He said that even a sharpened plastic ruler was illegal.

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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Every country spies on their nominal allies. That part is not unusual or unexpected and has a long historical tradition. You can find story after story on this. “Allies” are only allies for reasons of national interest, not because they are genuinely friends, whatever that would mean between countries. Of course, there’s still outrage when they get caught. Here, for example, is Germany being outraged that the US spie…

> Every country spies on their nominal allies. no. they have sources and intelligence officers share information, for various reasons, not excluding political beliefs. but spying the way USA was doing it on Merkel (for example) is not common, at all. It would also mean that American intelligence is more incompetent than French or Italian intelligence, never caught spying an ally, which cast some doubts on why CIA is…

France has been caught spying many times. There was a huge scandal in the 90s when the French intelligence services were caught bugging American business leaders. WikiLeaks cables make the claim France is actually the “evil empire” of state-sponsored industrial espionage. France also has an enormous NSA-style spying apparatus.

https://www.france24.com/en/20130702-france-usa-spying-snowd...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/04/france-electro...

Beyond just spying, French intelligence services even blew up a Greenpeace ship in New Zealand. They don’t have a moral problem with messing with allies.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Rainbow_Warri...

Allies negotiate with each other all the time. Of course it helps them to have inside knowledge of what’s going on behind the scenes. Why do you think any country would handicap itself?

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