Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

netzpolitik.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

121–130 of 443 posts

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

#121

Post by dailykoder »

KevinOhHeaven wrote: post #94
leodriesch wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It specifically prohibits discrimination and welcomes people from other nations, both of which the average German does not actually like That’s an absolutely wild claim and I’d like to know where you got this impression from.

You're perhaps in a sociopolitical bubble if you find that claim wild. Even if you don't personally know anyone with this perspective, I would hope that it's logical, rational, and expected that a significant proportion of an indigenous population targeted for "diversification" would be opposed to the idea. (As a counter-anecdote, I don't personally know a single person in my social circle, in Australia, who is suppo…

When I read the original post I was getting nervous, a little angry and wanted to make the same post and mark that claim as wild. But now that I've read your comment I thought a little about my experience here in southern germany.

I recently left Berlin after over 30 years. I have been outside, but not for long to get to know "other germans". And yes, you are right, the mindset here in the south is a lot more narrow minded and what people say about refugees/foreigners is just mind blowing. Which is kinda sad. I like it here, but I doubt I can live around these people for much longer.

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

#122

Post by denton-scratch »

KevinOhHeaven wrote: post #94
leodriesch wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It specifically prohibits discrimination and welcomes people from other nations, both of which the average German does not actually like That’s an absolutely wild claim and I’d like to know where you got this impression from.

You're perhaps in a sociopolitical bubble if you find that claim wild. Even if you don't personally know anyone with this perspective, I would hope that it's logical, rational, and expected that a significant proportion of an indigenous population targeted for "diversification" would be opposed to the idea. (As a counter-anecdote, I don't personally know a single person in my social circle, in Australia, who is suppo…

> indigenous population targeted for "diversification"

Oh, come on. That's QAnon conspiranoid bollocks.

> I don't personally know a single person in my social circle, in Australia, who is supportive of racial diversity

Racial diversity exists. Supporting it or opposing it isn't going to change that.

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

#123

Post by mayoi »

atoav wrote: post #99
rjzzleep wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

> It specifically prohibits discrimination and welcomes people from other nations, both of which the average German does not actually like Isn't "prohibiting discrimination" something else entirely as "allowing all foreigners to come in without questions asked"? Germans profited from the ability to take refugee during and after WWII themselves. Also, the data would rather suggest that the average German is far less a…

No post body was provided.

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

#124

Post by antihero »

KevinOhHeaven wrote: post #94
leodriesch wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It specifically prohibits discrimination and welcomes people from other nations, both of which the average German does not actually like That’s an absolutely wild claim and I’d like to know where you got this impression from.

You're perhaps in a sociopolitical bubble if you find that claim wild. Even if you don't personally know anyone with this perspective, I would hope that it's logical, rational, and expected that a significant proportion of an indigenous population targeted for "diversification" would be opposed to the idea. (As a counter-anecdote, I don't personally know a single person in my social circle, in Australia, who is suppo…

Maybe you just hang around with racists?

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

#125

Post by HeckFeck »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #64
uvesten wrote: post #48

How many EU beaureaucrats got their training in East Germany, I wonder? Or is it rather that they are too young and do not know about/remember what constant surveillance does to trust in a society?

[flagged]

> there is no constant surveillance in Europe

CCTV? I would also be extremely surprised to learn that European agencies don't have access to the Five Eyes program, or even their own analogue.

Face it, every state wants a hand in the big data gravy train. Especially organisations like the EU that believe their regulation, centralisation and bureaucracy is an unquestionable good.

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

#126

Post by neurostimulant »

sofixa wrote: post #43
Aeolun wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was hard to arrest criminals before digital communication as well, I’m sure we’ll deal.

But each improvement in communications tech (landlines, mobile phones, internet) have enabled new, faster, easier, better communication methods. Medieval criminals would have to physically meet to coordinate a coach robbery; nowadays a terrorist attack can be coordinated fully remotely and anonymously. There is no point in denying the facts - that encryption and the ease of use of the Internet enable criminals to coo…

Without encryption, criminals will have even easier time stealing personal information and breaking into accounts. Limiting encryption use may hurt certain types of criminals, but also helps another types of criminals, mainly cyber criminals.

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

#127

Post by FpUser »

riedel wrote: post #106
rjzzleep wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

The German constitution has been very much subject to changes to reflect the will of the people (requires a 2/3 majority in parliament). It is true that Germans do not quite are so obsessive about their constitutional rights like US citizens, however, I would say our constitution is a quite solid basis. The general approval ratings for the legal system and the constitution are really not bad [1] [1] https://www.rolan…

>"Germans do not quite are so obsessive about their constructional rights"

In this case "obsessive" is a very desired quality. People's constitutional rights must be guarded from the sweaty paws of the governments that may treat those as a mere annoyance.

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

#128

Post by megous »

hn_throwaway_69 wrote: post #45
ho_schi wrote: post #3

The commission does not seek to break encryption Okay. Encryption is not only important to protect private communication, but would also help perpetrators/criminals No. It is there to protect us from perpetrators, criminals and all the people which think they are on the good side. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Authoritarian regimes on our planet always thought they were the "good guys". Encryption i…

>No. Assume for sake of argument that it were possible to develop an encryption regime which protected bona fide users, but did not protect criminals. That would be a good thing. As a matter of public policy, criminals shouldn't be given the right to communicate for the sake of furthering criminal activity without the possibility of lawful interception. It's here that some technologists lose sight of the real world.…

There is a possibility of lawful interception at the endpoints of the end-to-end encryption. Does it mean the problem is solved?

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

#130

Post by dudul »

hnhg wrote: post #41

I have such a strong reaction to news like this, it's hard for me to not think that it's appropriate for every member state to consider leaving the EU now. They've succeeded in shifting me to a very anti-EU stance in one proposed measure - brilliant! It wouldn't surprise me if the leaders of most states are quite keen on such surveillance though.

I'm very critical of the EU, i do think it is poorly designed and not a desirable project regardless.

That being said, things like this would happen at the national level for sure, the EU has nothing to do with it. It's systemic to "modern democracies ".

Post reply on HN