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The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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Post by 7373737373 »

ho_schi wrote: post #3

The commission does not seek to break encryption Okay. Encryption is not only important to protect private communication, but would also help perpetrators/criminals No. It is there to protect us from perpetrators, criminals and all the people which think they are on the good side. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Authoritarian regimes on our planet always thought they were the "good guys". Encryption i…

They are traitors against the spirit of the constitution.

Article 10 of the Basic Law:

(1) The privacy of correspondence, posts and telecommunications shall be inviolable.

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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Post by jand »

seper8 wrote: post #6

If this ever gets into production I hope the tech community can come together and work on a system to generate false positives until this system is no longer viable. Let's hope its a typical EU project and will take at least a decade to complete, or better, let's just hope it will outright fail.

While i get the sentiment, you should check the mentioned penalties for abusing the system (once known) before jumping to action.

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Post by contravariant »

isaacfrond wrote: post #8

With 90% accuracy, and assuming the incidence of true grooming in random conversation is way smaller, they are setting themselves up for the base rate fallacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_rate_fallacy

At this point I wonder if that's by design, they ask for a random 10% of conversations in order to spy on people, it's the only sensible interpretation of these policies.

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Post by mayoi »

medv wrote: post #9
ho_schi wrote: post #3

The commission does not seek to break encryption Okay. Encryption is not only important to protect private communication, but would also help perpetrators/criminals No. It is there to protect us from perpetrators, criminals and all the people which think they are on the good side. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Authoritarian regimes on our planet always thought they were the "good guys". Encryption i…

Well. Nothing is just white or black.

That's right, everything is gray and black instead.

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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Post by contravariant »

throwaway22032 wrote: post #10

Which messenger do we switch to if this goes in? I don't think I'd have an issue convincing people. Is Signal subject to this? Telegram? Do we need something "less mainstream"?

You could use your own Matrix server as far as I know. It's annoying you need to go that far just to prevent the EU from snooping on your communication.

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Post by dylkil »

Is there any estimate for what percentage of chat communication happening within the EU is done by "perpetrators/criminals"? The average crime rate is 40 incidences per 100000 people per year, which would mean 0.0004% of the population is considered a criminal every year. What % of that tiny margin are going to be using online chat to commit their crimes? is it really worth abandoning the privacy of 450mil other people in the hopes that you might stop a criminal?

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Post by mayoi »

throwaway22032 wrote: post #10

Which messenger do we switch to if this goes in? I don't think I'd have an issue convincing people. Is Signal subject to this? Telegram? Do we need something "less mainstream"?

I cannot vouch for its real world security but it looked interesting enough for me to remember now: https://github.com/simplex-chat/simplex-chat
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