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The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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Two can play this game if they provide free SIM card they should expect people hacking and freeloading this built in SIM card.

I'm sure 1% of their users will do that. I'm also sure they'll still make money from ads.

I'd tend to think this 1% group overlaps a lot with HN readers skilled to do it.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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break antenna would be easiest solution, but you might possibly void the warranty while opening TV

Not giving them your money in the first place would be the easiest solution.

except it will cost you way more money, if I have to choose between breaking antena in TV for 600 USD or buying special display for triple price, I am fairly sure I'd prefer to void the warranty and still buy 2 other TVs in case I would need warranty

when I check cheapest/mainstream 65-75" TVs (wouldn't buy smaller nowadays considering cheapest 75" TV, which is Samsung here cost like 680 USD), all of them are smart

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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post #87

FWIW, it is still possible to get TVs without this stuff, albeit at a premium. TVs are still made for business usage in areas like conference rooms, wall displays etc. They're often found under labeling like "commercial digital signage" or "business display" or the like, they seem to often try to avoid using "TV" (if being cynical maybe to make them harder for normal people to discover and confuse them if they do). B…

For the technically minded, not neccessary. Just buy a large computer monitor and connect it with a tiny computer. It's a hassle but the system is really yours, especially if you choose carefully what to install.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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post #168

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> Do you want the propaganda piped directly into your living room? If I didn't, why would I have a TV at all? /s But you did a poor job of derailing a thread into one about you and your opinions that are only tenuously related to the topic. You should have mentioned how you "don't even own a TV" and how your choices are so much better than the sheeple's choices.

It’s like you know me.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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post #109

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However those TVs are not easy to get and, like you said, they come with an increased price. I couldn't recommend enough to buy an Apple TV (or equivalent) and block all Internet access to your "smart" TV. I did this and everything was instantly better.

How do you block internet if it will join open networks automatically?

To join an open network, it needs an antenna, which are easy to identify and permanently remove.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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post #178

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Advertising needs to become as socially acceptable as smoking. It indiscriminately pollutes the environment, and inflicts harm on non participants by incentivising unbridled data collection.

this is a bit silly

Not at all. Being bombarded with every not-yet-banned psychological trick ever invented is unethical: harms privacy, makes public spaces ugly, increases waste, and when not promoting actively harmful stuff, promote stuff in harmful ways.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_advertising

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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Advertising needs to become as socially acceptable as smoking. It indiscriminately pollutes the environment, and inflicts harm on non participants by incentivising unbridled data collection.

> Advertising needs to become as socially acceptable as smoking I’ll hold my drink while you convince America why it should pay 10x for a TV because ads are bad.

America is paying, and then being forced to watch advertisement.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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post #391

Call me crazy, but I think it's only a matter of time before windows in our living spaces will be monitors with overlaid ads. The in-app purchase will be "allowing us" to remove the ads so we can look at the view in peace. In the meantime, all my TVs never see the light of WiFi and have ROKU sticks.

I can see the progression like this:

1. Bright monitor that looks like a windows, to brighten up spaces that can't have windows. As it gets more popular, production ramps up, its price decreases.

2. Buildings are now built with these instead of actual windows, because now it makes sense economically. Maybe as more affordable housing.

3. Windows monitors get internet connected in the meantime, and now that there's a guaranteed number of eyeballs on them, become attractive for marketers.

4. Windows now sometimes show ads - Landlords get the option to get a cut if they install them, or it could be factored in the base price like how it's done with smart TVs now.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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post #151

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Bought a cheap HiSense TV for my kid to use as a big monitor. It literally will not work for any input source -- including OTA TV -- until it has been hooked to a network where it can register itself. It appears to work afterwards without a network connection... but I cannot recommend HiSense at all.

Return it as defective. If enough people do that they'll get the message. An internet connection should not be a requirement for buying an appliance.

I have a Philips smart TV. I didn't connect it to the internet. Every week it nags me with a popup message telling me how much I'm missing if I don't connect it. Technically, it's not defective; it still works without the internet. But think about it... What if the nag would pop up daily? Or every hour?

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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post #436

Please lets stop calling devices which spy on people "smart". Dumb devices are smart for privacy. Smart devices are dumb for privacy.

That ship has sailed, it has been widely used since smartphones. And it actually become a useful identifier (for me, for stuff to avoid).
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