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Declassified Bunker of the USSR

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Re: Declassified Bunker of the USSR

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If you want to visit a similar facility in the US, there's one at the Greenbrier resort in West Virginia: http://www.greenbrier.com/play-here/the-bunker.aspx The Greenbrier bunker was built in the late 1950s/early 1960s as the emergency relocation point for the U.S. Congress in the event of a nuclear war. Its existence was kept secret until 1992, when a Washington Post story revealed it: http://www.washingtonpost.com…

Another one in North America, outside Ottawa: http://www.diefenbunker.ca/

Re: Declassified Bunker of the USSR

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I love this line: "Now a museum of cold war is organized in the bunker where one can try on respirators, protective gear, hold different guns, etc." You know, the usual sort of museum experience. As interesting as this is, it's also tragic if you think about the vast resources humankind has spent on building terrible weapons and defenses against those weapons. Imagine how much farther we would be ahead as a society i…

Arguably the nuclear weapons have prevented continuation of WW2, where USSR and US would duke it out in the 50's and 60's. Just wanted to point out that world of geopolitics and strategy is way more nuanced than an average person believes.

> Arguably the nuclear weapons have prevented continuation of WW2

people in Korea, Afghanistan, Vietnan, etc, etc, would disagree.

Re: Declassified Bunker of the USSR

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If you want to visit a similar facility in the US, there's one at the Greenbrier resort in West Virginia: http://www.greenbrier.com/play-here/the-bunker.aspx The Greenbrier bunker was built in the late 1950s/early 1960s as the emergency relocation point for the U.S. Congress in the event of a nuclear war. Its existence was kept secret until 1992, when a Washington Post story revealed it: http://www.washingtonpost.com…

That's amazing. A facility with 1600 employees that needed untold resources to construct is decommissioned as useless because the Washington Post writes an article about it. They're of course within their rights to do so, but it's sad to think that all the work needed for the facility went to waste and its employees were laid off just because someone wrote an article on it.

It's likely that, being 30 years old, it was outdated and replaced by a newer secret structure anyway.

Re: Declassified Bunker of the USSR

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Non blogspam original link: http://moscow-walks.livejournal.com/918332.html It's not good when blogspam from englishrussia.com is on the HN frontpage for hours.

englishrussia.com has English text. Better than Russian text for most of us.

i barely saw english on that page.

Re: Declassified Bunker of the USSR

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's amazing. A facility with 1600 employees that needed untold resources to construct is decommissioned as useless because the Washington Post writes an article about it. They're of course within their rights to do so, but it's sad to think that all the work needed for the facility went to waste and its employees were laid off just because someone wrote an article on it.

It's likely that, being 30 years old, it was outdated and replaced by a newer secret structure anyway.

Like the OP article speculates that structure was.

Re: Declassified Bunker of the USSR

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I love this line: "Now a museum of cold war is organized in the bunker where one can try on respirators, protective gear, hold different guns, etc." You know, the usual sort of museum experience. As interesting as this is, it's also tragic if you think about the vast resources humankind has spent on building terrible weapons and defenses against those weapons. Imagine how much farther we would be ahead as a society i…

I would quote from Eisenhower's Military-Industrial Complex Speech, but it should really be read in its entirety: http://www.h-net.org/~hst306/documents/indust.html

I felt like this warranted more than just an upvote. I think this should be required high school reading.

Re: Declassified Bunker of the USSR

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember that it opens, at one point, into the subway. Its just a supposition, but I could imagine this thing being built during the construction of the subway tunnel. It would be relatively easy to disguise all the equipment going in and dirt coming out in the process. Looking at the history of the Metro construction, the bunker construction dates to roughly the time of the 4th stage of the Metro construction. http:…

The timeframe is off. The bunker is in the vicinity of Taganskaya station (the one on the "ring") which was opened in 1950. The bunker was built between '58 and '63 - so not only it was built much later, it also took much longer than a typical subway construction project.

Still since there is access to the subway they could have moved stuff out through the subway system at night?

Re: Declassified Bunker of the USSR

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post #12

I love this line: "Now a museum of cold war is organized in the bunker where one can try on respirators, protective gear, hold different guns, etc." You know, the usual sort of museum experience. As interesting as this is, it's also tragic if you think about the vast resources humankind has spent on building terrible weapons and defenses against those weapons. Imagine how much farther we would be ahead as a society i…

gave us the internet. also employed a lot of people and we didn't get the large-scale war that most thought was due since WW2 was, like WW1, unfinished business.

Re: Declassified Bunker of the USSR

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arguably the nuclear weapons have prevented continuation of WW2, where USSR and US would duke it out in the 50's and 60's. Just wanted to point out that world of geopolitics and strategy is way more nuanced than an average person believes.

"nuclear weapons have prevented continuation of WW2" I would tend to agree with that. However, the levels of weaponry that were deployed were arguably far higher than was actually required to achieve effective mutual deterrence - by a huge factor. If you actually read the details of what would have happened if the Cuban Missile Crisis or Able Archer 83 had ended as shooting wars then prepare to have your blood run co…

The BBC drama "Threads" still scares me 25+ years after I first saw it:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090163/

One thing to note about this drama, where over 90% of the UK population are eventually killed, is that it is based on an official exercise called Square Leg that was generally regarded as being rather optimistic, a real attack by the Soviets would probably have been far worse:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_Leg

Re: Declassified Bunker of the USSR

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The blue flat panel displays in the first picture and farther down are confusing. They're clearly not original, only a few years old. Perhaps the museum people did some reconstruction? I wonder what else we're seeing is reconstruction of what they thought a soviet bunker should look like.

Yes, those are LG monitors, and you can see a PC workstation under the desk. Too bad they replaced whatever was there with those monitors

"Whatever was there" was removed before the bunker was declassified.

As far as I understand from the original text (english translation on the blogspam site is incomplete at best), the monitors were installed by the company who now manages the bunker and are apparently used for simulation of nuclear strike on NY, one of the exhibits in Cold War Museum.

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