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Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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People have been noticing this a lot recently but what nobody seems to know is that this is a form of money laundering/“scamming.” I know because I used to be active on crime forums and talked to some of the people who engineered this scheme. People will set up fake Spotify artist accounts with stolen identities and bank accounts, pay a musician for songs that pass as music, and then bot millions of streams on them.…

I'm probably missing something but how is this money laundering?

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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Related: https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/an-mbw-reader-just-bl...

> Recently, Spotify announced their Discovery Mode program. This allows labels to discount selected parts of their catalog in return for increased promotion via Radio and Autoplay

Uggh. I wish payola were actually illegal in practice.

> So who’s really losing in this equation?

Possibly, older out of touch-artists who think music should always be something meaningful and “culturally important” and are perhaps – just slightly – butthurt that no one cares, or that other people have figured out another way to be successful.

I can't tell if this bit is dripping with sarcasm, or if the author is actually this contemptuous of musicians and this dismissive of the difficulty associated with getting "discovered" these days.

Either way, it is a fascinating article. Wouldn't have guessed that Sony was one of the leading spammers/fraudsters (see other threads on this article) in this space, or that Spotify was complicit.

This actually makes me angrier than the Sony rootkit fiasco.

Thanks for the link.

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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> A single kitchen operating under many names to increase its algorithmic “surface area”; another shape of things to come. I find this infuriating. There's one dominican restaurant in my city that's listed on DoorDash, Grubhub and UberEats under over 20 different names with different subsets of their menu. All of these duplicate listings for the same place make it harder to search or browse the actual restaurant opti…

Isn't it really easy to avoid all these fake restaurants, since the fakes only appear when you're searching for takeout? Just pretend you want to dine in, find a restaurant that you want that way, then pull it up in your takeout app of choice.

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I listened to that playlist as well and it is nearly the same song with slight variations. Imagine finding dozens of threads where comments are all the same, but with very small changes of phrasing used in each comment.

I listened to that comment thread as well and it is very similar to the playlist, only with slight variations. Imagine finding hundreds of threads where the colors are all the same, but with very small changes in the pattern as they are all woven into a blanket.

I listened to the users also and it's nearly the same comment with minor variations. Imagine finding dozens of threads where the jokes are all the same, but with very unsubstantive changes in phrasing as the site is turning into Reddit.

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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This is so fascinating! And... somehow shiver-inducing creepy: https://open.spotify.com/track/680Xyj7IgbBioIZ8BylEkJ?si=572...

This is almost certainly generated as well, found through a recommendation series from the article.

It's so creepy because it feels like something that isn't made by a human, like composition uncanny valley!

Edit: As a side note, you should be careful to not like the music in this article. I suspect it will poison your Discover Weekly and other algorithmically generated playlists as they seem to be based on other listeners' data.

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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With the success of AI content generation for text (GPT-3 etc.) and images (DALL-E etc.), it seems inevitable that music will soon be targeted as well, if not already. What's particularly interesting in the music sphere is that there are already well-established trends towards building a sort of ambient, atmospheric, generated soundscape. (For example, the famous "Lo-Fi girl" stream.) AI-generated content is a very n…

Music can be algorithmically generated since it's formulaic, what I think machine learning models will struggle with at first is maintaining those formulas throughout a song. I imagine AI produced songs will/do sound winding and unhinged at first. All the right ingredients but stewed up in a pot.

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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With the success of AI content generation for text (GPT-3 etc.) and images (DALL-E etc.), it seems inevitable that music will soon be targeted as well, if not already. What's particularly interesting in the music sphere is that there are already well-established trends towards building a sort of ambient, atmospheric, generated soundscape. (For example, the famous "Lo-Fi girl" stream.) AI-generated content is a very n…

Generated music has been around for at least several years, for example https://generative.fm/ (no affiliation).

AI that imitates well-known composers goes back much further, I remember attending a concert of "virtual mozart" works at UC Santa Cruz back in the late 80s/early 90s

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jul/11/david-cop...

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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The post was interesting, but I also noticed something in the blog that had the same flavor. Even though the link was for a specific post, the page layout neatly flowed into another post. So smooth I thought the second post's title was a subheading of the original article. A strange thing, but maybe that's just me making connections that aren't there.

I listened to the playlist and it's definitely the same song over and over again with slight tweaks. Imagine finding dozens of blogs where posts are all the same, but with very slight changes to vocabulary used in each blog.

That was the web circa 2010, when people were still using spinbots and link wheels as an SEO technique. They were the same articles, but with occasional words swapped out so it wasn't duplicate content in the eyes of Google. The Panda update for Google was largely responsible for cutting down on that behavior.

What's fascinating about natural language models for me, is that I assume it is already being applied to "spin" articles, and I imagine that is part of why Google kinda sucks to use right now.

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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post #28

People have been noticing this a lot recently but what nobody seems to know is that this is a form of money laundering/“scamming.” I know because I used to be active on crime forums and talked to some of the people who engineered this scheme. People will set up fake Spotify artist accounts with stolen identities and bank accounts, pay a musician for songs that pass as music, and then bot millions of streams on them.…

I'm probably missing something but how is this money laundering?

It costs money to run the streams but Spotify pays some of that back out to the "artists"; that money sounds plausibly pretty clean. Until there was a thread at the top of HN about it and everyone suddenly knew how it worked.

Of course GP might just be a GPT3 experiment...

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