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Re: Workplace surveillance is coming for you

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On workplace surveillance / "bossware": > Mazzoli seems to have either not used his product, or, if he did, did so under conditions where he was in charge of it – using it the way an athlete might use a stopwatch to time their own sprints, and not the way a boss might: to decide whether to dock your pay or fire you. > This inability to understand the difference between using a technology and having the same technolog…

Once upon a time, I worked for a shop that did auto insurance. This involves handling a lot of fairly sensitive data about people and datasets about a lot of people, for reasons that boil down to it being incredibly useful data for actuarial purposes. Bossware, or working machine monitoring software, endpoint monitoring, or whatever turned out to be a key part of making it possible for our data scientists to function…

> It was the only way we could both protect the incredibly sensitive information about lots of people while allowing analysis work to proceed.

Meanwhile this data is getting leaked every other week by other companies. Didn't Equifax leak pretty much all sensitive information for the entire nation. What happened there?

I haven't formed a constructive thought out of all this yet, I'm just frustrated that we'll get surveillance software to allegedly protect data that's already been leaked by a hundred other companies.

Often this will be like the "think of the children" argument. Of course we should be concerned about security and make efforts to protect data, but many times the same people who push surveillance software in the name of security will later turn a blind eye to other security practices or concerns that might be an inconvenience to them. Their concern for security will extend only as far as it gives them power.

Re: Workplace surveillance is coming for you

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post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once upon a time, I worked for a shop that did auto insurance. This involves handling a lot of fairly sensitive data about people and datasets about a lot of people, for reasons that boil down to it being incredibly useful data for actuarial purposes. Bossware, or working machine monitoring software, endpoint monitoring, or whatever turned out to be a key part of making it possible for our data scientists to function…

> It was the only way we could both protect the incredibly sensitive information about lots of people while allowing analysis work to proceed. Meanwhile this data is getting leaked every other week by other companies. Didn't Equifax leak pretty much all sensitive information for the entire nation. What happened there? I haven't formed a constructive thought out of all this yet, I'm just frustrated that we'll get surv…

It's very often different companies and different systems. It's rarely the companies with mature and well-implemented security, privacy, and governance systems that do Equifax-style data spills.

To draw an imperfect comparison - improving the efficiency of electric car motors does little for those driving dino-juice-mobiles. That we as a society have the tools and ability to do better does not mean that every person and organization adopted them immediately and perfectly.

Re: Workplace surveillance is coming for you

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> "Office 365 went from being an online version of Microsoft Office to being a bossware delivery-system." I feel like a fool. I watch Microsoft like a hawk, and I didn't even know about this. Every time I think I'm too cynical about a FAANG company -- and Microsoft in particular -- I find that I haven't been nearly cynical enough.

The enabling of not just workplace monitoring, but their ability to associate it with your career data via LinkedIn is next level spooky but no one seems to want to talk about it. What do they provide employers on your behalf? Forgive me, a small thing but I don't think Microsoft is a FAANG. They're more like IBM 2.0. Every now and then their drones try to jam an M in the acronym in a sad 'how do you do, fellow kids'…

Aha! THAT'S why there's a new tickbox in Outlook preferences to connect your LinkedIn profile! Again, I'm not NEARLY cynical enough!

Re: Workplace surveillance is coming for you

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I'm all for privacy and I cringe at the idea of workplace surveillance of the type described. That said, this article is loaded with false comparisons and poor analogies and just doesn't make its point very well. In general, it confuses "The Bad Government want to intentionally surveil you" with "idiot corporations chasing profits incidentally surveil you and think you're enough of an idiot to swallow it". > 20 years…

I tend to agree with your point about voluntarily buying devices to allow corporations to spy on ourselves. Nobody is forcing you to get one of these things. At least not yet. I don't think the danger is that the government is going to force you to install a surveillance device in your house. The danger is that this will come from the free market.

This is what the point of the Shitty Technology Adoption Curve. The surveillance starts with people who don't have the agency to opt out of it.

We in the software and IT industry have a fair amount of choice when it comes to our work environments. If a potential employer insists on a screen recorder or keylogger, we can see these as warning flags and generally have options to go work someplace else. A lot of people don't have this luxury. If it's the choice between either working somewhere where your boss is timing your piss breaks or not being able to pay rent, that's really not much of a choice.

I don't think it's too much of a stretch to envisage a possible future where you won't be able to participate in the modern economy if you don't agree to corporate surveillance. Not that it's impossible to opt out, just as it's not impossible to live off the electric grid today if you really want to.

Hopefully the free market will drive idiot corporations that time their employees piss breaks out of business. Clever corporations that are smarter about their surveillance could still be around though.

Re: Workplace surveillance is coming for you

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The surveillance for higher status workers is more about always having a reason to manage out a worker more than actually optimizing anything, like they do with lower status workers.

We have this problem in the US armed forces rather acutely. Everyone is breaking many rules and regulations daily but the chain of command does nothing about the vast majority of infractions. Reserving enforcement for when they feel like it, for reasons having nothing to do with the actual rules.

This is anarcho-tyranny.

As a people manager in software I fight this kind of stuff, and I feel like only the most morally compromised managers push it.

It’s never an honest attempt to optimize the work. It’s a way to force you to provide evidence for your dismissal.

Re: Workplace surveillance is coming for you

#166
post #127

> realized that she could juke her stats by closing tickets prematurely by marking them "did not respond" Very recently I contacted support on a Saturday around 5pm. They replied Sunday night after midnight when I was asleep. My support ticket was closed around 5am as "did not respond". Between the reply and closing my ticket, I was asleep the entire time. I have never been so furious.

Yeah. I go back and forth between responding with a scathing review of the employee when the inevitable follow up survey arrives, and trying to help them figuratively burn down their dystopian hellscape of a working environment.

Re: Workplace surveillance is coming for you

#168
post #73

I would just use another computer and automate some BS on the surveilled one.

I’d just put the surveilled one in a drawer.

“I’m extremely happy with the progress you made this month, but HR says you worked zero hours this week.”

“I couldn’t figure out how to use the corporate laptop. Sorry about that.”

Re: Workplace surveillance is coming for you

#170

I'm currently reading "The Tyranny of Metrics" which provides a decent analysis of how over-measuring things that don't have anything to do with the real goal often serves as a deterrent to real progress. What managers want to know is how much do their workers contribute to the success of the company . What they measure is how much time do workers spend doing X . They're completely glossing over the middle step of ho…

It's not even over-measuring, it's measuring the wrong thing, because the thing you actually want to know isn't (easily) measurable. The whole thing is down to poor management(-culture). Good managers already know who their top performing team members are. They don't need these tools. Measuring LOC or time spend sitting at the desk is in my view attempting to compensate for lack in management skills. It's like advert…

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