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The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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Call me crazy, but I think it's only a matter of time before windows in our living spaces will be monitors with overlaid ads. The in-app purchase will be "allowing us" to remove the ads so we can look at the view in peace.

In the meantime, all my TVs never see the light of WiFi and have ROKU sticks.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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I love my ATV 4K. But it’s useless for traveling since hotels require you to login and the AppleTV doesn’t have a browser. The Roku sticks get around this by temporarily exposing a pass through wifi connection that you can connect to from your phone/computer and log in to your hotel’s wifi. The only work around with the AppleTV is to buy a second travel router.

With tvOS 15.4, "Captive Wi-Fi network support on tvOS allows you to use your iPhone or iPad to connect your Apple TV to networks that need additional sign-in steps, like at hotels or dorms." https://developer.apple.com/documentation/tvos-release-notes...

Wow this is great, thanks for posting this!

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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If you care about privacy absolutely do not get an Android TV dongle. Get an Apple TV (though yes, they cost more. Maybe find a used one on eBay if you're particularly price sensitive)

Now let me just open an ADB bridge with my Apple TV and install some third party applications, maybe flash a custom OS, rollback to an older firmware.

That doesn't negate my original point.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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I run an hdmi cable from my laptop and have a bluetooth keyboard with a scroll pad on it. My wife doesnt like it. But its so much faster than a "smart tv". My issue isnt even the ads. Its that half of these tvs feel like they are running on low memory because of how slow they are. Add in the streaming apps that crash just often enough to be really annoying... I wish it didnt have to be that way.

Yeah these threads pop up on HN all the time and everyone starts talking about apple tv and roku whatever and I think they're all... pretty dumb.

HDMI + Computer is just the best answer. Works in hotels just fine. I'm not aware of any smart TVs that push ads over your connected devices feed even if you do let them update for no good reason. Keyboard and mouse is better than remotes. Web search is the best search. You can use streaming sites. It's basically free. You can... use it as a living room computer. Hit up spotify and now it's also your sound controller. Have browser tabs. Play videogames.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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> FWIW, it is still possible to get TVs without this stuff, albeit at a premium. TVs are still made for business usage in areas like conference rooms, wall displays etc. Do they have tuners? I've heard many of those are missing them.

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Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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> FWIW, it is still possible to get TVs without this stuff, albeit at a premium. TVs are still made for business usage in areas like conference rooms, wall displays etc. Do they have tuners? I've heard many of those are missing them.

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> Do you want the propaganda piped directly into your living room?

If I didn't, why would I have a TV at all? /s

But you did a poor job of derailing a thread into one about you and your opinions that are only tenuously related to the topic. You should have mentioned how you "don't even own a TV" and how your choices are so much better than the sheeple's choices.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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They will simply come with a cellular modem built in and you won't be able to block it. These things are so cheap now, and with virtual sims I think this is pretty much inevitable. At some point everything will be internet connected just because the tech will cost pennies. We're not there yet, but for a big ticket item such as a TV or a car it's either already there or about to happen.

> They will come with a cellular modem built in, and you won't be able to block it. Haha, joke's one them. I live in a nice apartment in the middle of a major US city, and in my last 3 apartments, cell signal reception was ranging between 1 bar and no signal reception at all. Good luck with a built-in cell modem here. Thankfully, wifi calling is a thing working by default. So having almost no cell reception at home h…

The worry I have is TVs also embedding an Amazon Sidewalk chip. Seems like it would be easy for them to egress your data through your neighbor's spy device with something like that.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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Then it will be the classic "Do you want to opt-in?" popup with two options: "Yes" and "Ask later" with a lack of a No button. Just show this every time the TV is powered on, and getting "consent" is a matter of weeks at best.

Intent matters, and EU DPOs and courts have already begun striking back against dark patterns [0] years ago. [1] https://www.datenschutzkanzlei.de/grenzen-des-nudging-lg-ros...

Tell it to Meta who used that pattern on Whatsapp to obtain consent to merge data with Facebook.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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Advertising needs to become as socially acceptable as smoking. It indiscriminately pollutes the environment, and inflicts harm on non participants by incentivising unbridled data collection.

> Advertising needs to become as socially acceptable as smoking I’ll hold my drink while you convince America why it should pay 10x for a TV because ads are bad.

America has always paid 1x for a TV without ads.

It is the TV and media companies that are a) using lies and deception to convince America that it's ok to instead pay (1x + advertising + a hidden loss of privacy) for a TV, and b) colluding to raise the prices of 'dumb' TVs as an added lever against consumers.

Educating people on the real costs, and pointing out better alternatives are the best ways to combat this.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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Kodi didn't the last time I checked. Note that unless you're running Windows or Mac, 4k from Netflix is not available anyway. In fact, 1080p would not be available, according to their system requirements. Linux tops out at 720p on both Chrome and Firefox. I have to assume this would extend to Kodi on whatever platform you're running Kodi on. https://help.netflix.com/en/node/23742

Or the official apps right, that page is just about browsers (and implicitly unofficial apps)? So you could have the Kodi & Netflix apps on an Android TV (e.g. Nvidia Shield) device and have 4K Netflix.

I imagine Netflix gathers a lot of viewing data, and I can see a time when ads make it into the streaming platforms natively. Cable TV started out as an ad-free offering, and now it's almost 50% ads.
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