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On Car Seats as Contraception

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Re: On Car Seats as Contraception

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Post by throwaway575 »

giantg2 wrote: post #42
throw003away wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Especially considering that many people are likely breaking the laws (not just car seats, but supervision, etc), with no ill effects Car accidents are the #1 cause of death of kids in Mexico. People have 0 literacy about car seats there. > I was riding without a booster seat well before age 8 and we'd occasionally ride with a friend's family in a station wagon or SUV with the add-on cargo seats. This story could ha…

"Car accidents are the #1 cause of death of kids in Mexico. People have 0 literacy about car seats there." There are other traffic differences as well. We can't tie all of it just to the car seat. Even with car seats (and other measures not in MX), it's still a leading cause in the US. "This story could have been very different if your car was hit and you were disabled because of, I don't know, something totally prev…

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Re: On Car Seats as Contraception

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Post by soylentcola »

mantas wrote: post #12
superchroma wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are whales full of plastic and the rain isn't safe to drink. How can adding more humans help??

If people who understand these issues don't procreate, then people who don't understand this will dominate and keep ruining earth into... ground?

I believe there was a (logically/ethically questionable, yet amusing) film that outlined this exact scenario.

Re: On Car Seats as Contraception

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Post by adsfgdsafdasf »

kingsloi wrote: post #35
burlesona wrote: post #16

This resonates with me. It’s beyond tedious to get the kids in and out of the car seats all the time, and needing to buy a larger car to fit more than two kids gave me significant pause. We eventually decided to have more kids, and the positives far outweigh the negatives for us, but to this day the hassle of loading and unloading the car to go places is the single biggest negative experience of raising children. It…

My wife and I have a Doona ( https://www.doona.com/car-seat-stroller/discover-doona ), and we refer to it as a the Ferarri of push chairs. Loading and unloading the stroller (when using their base), is super easy, takes seconds, and we can keep our baby asleep while transporting to/from the car.

pretty much any infant seat is easy to deal with but you can only use those for a year at most. its all the bigger car seats for the next 5-12 years of their lives that are annoying

Re: On Car Seats as Contraception

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Post by btilly »

greesil wrote: post #43
throwaway0a5e wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Money and time are fungible on a societal level. If you throw up barriers to entry in the form of time and/or money you will get less of whatever it is you're throwing barriers in front of. Car seats are just one example of a barrier.

I'm going to guess you don't have kids.

Your snark is uncalled for.

I completely agree with the comment and I have 4 teenagers.

In fact having children has made me more acutely aware of the issue, not less. Because now I have more things I want to do, and face more barriers of both time and money that I have to trade off.

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Post by whiddershins »

greesil wrote: post #36
fps wrote: post #18

There are plenty of narrow car seats that will fit 3 across in any car. I ran 3 Diono Radians in the back seat of a second gen Prius and there was plenty of space. Car seats and cars are the least expensive part of raising young children.

It's car seats that are affecting fertility, and definitely couldn't be the cost of raising a child. /s

You can provide a better quality of life than any child had 100 years ago, for very little money. So why exactly would money be the limiting factor?

Re: On Car Seats as Contraception

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Post by RajT88 »

antiterra wrote: post #20

> Enthusiasm for these laws has not been curbed by studies showing that child car seats are no more effective than seat belts in preventing death or serious injury for children above age two (e.g. Levitt 2008, Doyle and Levitt 2010). Like many of the other Freakonomics conclusions, this one is at best oversimplified, and at worst actively dangerous. To simply quote it as uncontested fact is ridiculously incompetent.…

> Like many of the other Freakonomics conclusions

Yes! Thank you!

They are about as bad as Malcolm Gladwell. And yet I know plenty of finance guys who take it as gospel.

Re: On Car Seats as Contraception

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Post by wffurr »

burlesona wrote: post #16

This resonates with me. It’s beyond tedious to get the kids in and out of the car seats all the time, and needing to buy a larger car to fit more than two kids gave me significant pause. We eventually decided to have more kids, and the positives far outweigh the negatives for us, but to this day the hassle of loading and unloading the car to go places is the single biggest negative experience of raising children. It…

Speaking to some other kid-having cargo bike owners, one reason they like the cargo bike with the children is that it's significantly easier to get the kids in and out of it.

Not sure why the "don't drive" sibling comment got flagged out of existence, but bikes, transit, and walking don't have the same hassle as driving with children. They entail different hassles, to be sure, but the "get everyone to sit down and buckle them in" tedium isn't one of them.

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Post by adsfgdsafdasf »

mguerville wrote: post #28
burlesona wrote: post #16

This resonates with me. It’s beyond tedious to get the kids in and out of the car seats all the time, and needing to buy a larger car to fit more than two kids gave me significant pause. We eventually decided to have more kids, and the positives far outweigh the negatives for us, but to this day the hassle of loading and unloading the car to go places is the single biggest negative experience of raising children. It…

With one single child I barely notice, but thinking about it it does probably take 2-3 minutes so your 5-10 minutes estimates is probably spot on for multiple kids. Living in a midwestern city and relying on street parking I do dread the loading/unloading in the winter, has there been any attempt at improving this product category on the speed of use dimension?

the time required is an exponential function with multiple kids

Re: On Car Seats as Contraception

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Post by umvi »

reboot81 wrote: post #30

Does the planets resources increase with every child born?

Depends on how you define "resources". The planet's natural resources do not intrinsically increase with every child born, however, the planet's intellectual and problem-solving resources do increase with each child born (*depending on the quality of parents the child was born to).
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