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Re: Workplace surveillance is coming for you

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I believe in many states it's illegal for you to be recorded at work. I'm not sure how so many places are getting around this. If the claim is that it's audio vs video, then I say that's a bunk argument. A) we can reconstruct some audio from video (lip reading software), and B) a lot of what would have been "verbal" conversations now happen in text chats, recorded by cameras perfectly in the clear. Not to mention tha…

> I believe in many states it's illegal for you to be recorded at work.

That doesn't seem right where are you getting that? A workplace is probably not considered "public" so a third party might be restricted on recording you there. But your employer isn't a third party here so you're straight back into og labor relations and what does your contract say and what does your union allow etc.

Re: Workplace surveillance is coming for you

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Damn, I had some fairly old opinion of Doctorow where I disliked him for some reason or other, but I am definitely revising that. I thought this was a great article. I am certain “bossware” will accelerate the downfall of already shitty workplaces. Very happy to hear Amazon is doing away with it. Strongly hope their workers unionize anyway. What kind of employer nickle-and-dimes a worker’s bathroom breaks? Not a good…

This is the unintended consequence of anti discrimination laws (and other laws, like those protecting unions, that defeat at-will employment). Easiest way to fire shitty employees is to document a bunch of technical rule violations. That will create a rock solid paper trail that will stand up in court. Otherwise, they will claim some kind of discrimination and it’s your word about their performance against theirs cal…

That’s interesting. Do you have a reference for that?

With workplace control seeming to predate worker protection by a century, you wouldn’t expect that. But it’s always exciting when intuitions get subverted. I’d love to read more of how the historian who proposed this put together their argument. Do you have a link handy?

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#63
Has a similar experience with upwork once where the contractor (who are screen recorded by upwork to make sure they're "working") would just spend large amounts of time scrolling up and down on the IDE looking at source code - literally hours - to look busy and keep the meter rolling.

If you can't measure output, there is no point in measuring input.

Re: Workplace surveillance is coming for you

#64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the unintended consequence of anti discrimination laws (and other laws, like those protecting unions, that defeat at-will employment). Easiest way to fire shitty employees is to document a bunch of technical rule violations. That will create a rock solid paper trail that will stand up in court. Otherwise, they will claim some kind of discrimination and it’s your word about their performance against theirs cal…

This is the result of managers who have no idea how to do the tasks of the employees they are "managing". E.g., non-technical manager managing technical employees who uses silly metrics like LOC because he/she has no idea how to evaluate the employee's performance. Also, upper management somehow feel that their middle and lower managers can be trusted to act like adults while the people who do the actual work cannot…

It’s not about management, it’s about convincing a jury that knows absolutely nothing about your company and industry except what two lawyers argue to it.

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#65

I'm currently reading "The Tyranny of Metrics" which provides a decent analysis of how over-measuring things that don't have anything to do with the real goal often serves as a deterrent to real progress. What managers want to know is how much do their workers contribute to the success of the company . What they measure is how much time do workers spend doing X . They're completely glossing over the middle step of ho…

> Over-measurement is often worse than not measuring anything at all.

Yes. Not only is "time spent" or "code written" or "features implemented" or even "user engagement" a lossy metric in the best of cases but it can literally end up doing the exact opposite of what you intended. Campbell's & Goodhart's laws are often cited. The trap I see in software companies is a hyperfocus on quantifiable short term wins, entirely glossing over the value created by longer term cultivation of quality. One can see projects where code cleanliness, documentation, testing, CI, and performance have been effectively disincentivised, even though, in the short, mid, and long-term, you will see gains. Such gains, however, are less visible and less quantifiable to the kinds of people who define and foster the metric regimes.

A narrative I observe variations of:

Universe X:

- Programmer A implements feature in one week. They get a admiration and a raise.

- One year later: Programmer B implements feature in 3 weeks, because they had to use Programmer A's shoddy and inconsistent API.

Universe Y:

- Programmer A implements feature in two weeks. Less admiration and no raise.

- One year later: Programmer B implements feature in 1 week, because they were able to use Programmer A's better implemented interface.

Hopefully it's obvious which universe is preferable and produced a net-win. ...

Bad metric regimes are unforuntately not _obviously_ bad when you're inside their machinations. They really need to be dug into to see the fallacies.

One has to look no further than Meta/Facebook for the absolute deteriment caused by overzealous performance reviews and a fixation of experimental upticks in user engagement. It is a bad metric regime.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious as well. The context is film, so I imagine it refers to the chemical process of developing the negatives in some way.

Pretty close - but "souping" is when you add some random ingredient that destroys the negatives but creates an interesting effect when developing the photos. You can use vinegar, lemon juice, vodka, bleach, any number of chemicals that create different effects; https://www.kjsmall.com/projects/film-soup-tips-tricks In the context of the article, it seems the consultants would take copious notes (the negatives) and th…

Ahhh! Thanks for this.

Re: Workplace surveillance is coming for you

#67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is complete nonsense. The easiest way to fire shitty employees is to fire them for being shitty, which you should have documented to begin with. This has absolutely nothing to do with anti discrimination law.

That “complete nonsense” is what US employment lawyers would advise you. But hey, some French guy on the internet knows more.

That 'French' guy owned a US company at some point.

Re: Workplace surveillance is coming for you

#68

I believe in many states it's illegal for you to be recorded at work. I'm not sure how so many places are getting around this. If the claim is that it's audio vs video, then I say that's a bunk argument. A) we can reconstruct some audio from video (lip reading software), and B) a lot of what would have been "verbal" conversations now happen in text chats, recorded by cameras perfectly in the clear. Not to mention tha…

> I believe in many states it's illegal for you to be recorded at work. That doesn't seem right where are you getting that? A workplace is probably not considered "public" so a third party might be restricted on recording you there. But your employer isn't a third party here so you're straight back into og labor relations and what does your contract say and what does your union allow etc.

In Germany the entire premise of monitoring performance is prohibited. Employers aren't even allowed to look at email.

Re: Workplace surveillance is coming for you

#69
Here's an interesting pattern.

You eat a banana. It's delicious and nutritious. Cool.

You read about a fellow who ate a banana. Ah, such a fond reference.

You read about your banana-research employees. Taste, nutrition and fond references are furthest from your mind. You only care about your sales numbers.

Abstraction=progressive numbness.

Re: Workplace surveillance is coming for you

#70

I’ve recently watched Brazil, and the film has one of the most chilling dystopian views I’ve ever seen because it’s easy to see yourself as part of the machine doing your best just trying to get by. Similarly, I can see how the people working in this software slipped into this- they identified a need in the market with WFH, tried prototypes that were well received on the market, and keep iterating. Many of them legit…

And author covered it as well. The technology is interesting and COULD be applied appropriately, but management class seems to be going for low hanging fruits and easy solutions completely undermining what could be a useful tool if used appropriately. The problem, and not a small one at that, is that the management class, in US at least, had a free ride for the past few decades. They only had to threaten with a stick and that was enough. They only know how to use a hammer.

I absolutely agree on Brazil. It is so easy to forget our jobs have impact on the world outside.

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