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The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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At home, I've never connected my TV to my network. The few firmware updates I've needed to do were applied using a thumb drive, and I use an AppleTV as my interface. When I travel, I bring along an AppleTV and plug the HDMI port into their set. This lets me keep the services I subscribe-to and use them with their display. This has worked great until my most-recent rental, which had a RokuTV -- presumably setup on Wif…

>At home, I've never connected my TV to my network

The next (already there?) steps are the TV automatically scanning for open wifi network to leverage and/or having a built in 4g connection.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "they use any open wifi they can see" myth has been brought up on HN multiple times, and never did anybody provide any credible proof of this rumour (that started as a single reddit comment).

I would be surprised if modern TVs didn’t connect to open WiFis; there is literally no reason for TVs not to do this, and every incentive to do it. Even if we discount the ads as a motivator, it’s still a simple solution to get people’s stuff configured automatically.

Would be surprised if they don't include 5G in order to gain permanent unfiltered access. Sending that sweet telemetry data has priority.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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Downfall implies a failure or ending, it seems like they're still selling like hotcakes. This is why we need regulation to save us from surveillance, most consumers want cheap and don't understand/care that they're selling their privacy instead.

So what legislation? How many consumers even knowing that they are being tracked and advertised to are willing to pay the price so their hardware, software, and services come ad free? If the US follows what the GDPR did, we will just have pop ups before every TV show asking us will we allow tracking.

If there is actually legal force behind our ability to say no, then this is not a bad place to be.

Ideally we'd include in the law the provision to say no once for some extended period of time. CAN-SPAM is a precedent for this, I believe.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

#84

Downfall implies a failure or ending, it seems like they're still selling like hotcakes. This is why we need regulation to save us from surveillance, most consumers want cheap and don't understand/care that they're selling their privacy instead.

They’re selling like hotcakes because you cannot find non-smart TVs anymore

Even if you could smart TVs would outsell dumb TVs by a great margin.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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post #53

At home, I've never connected my TV to my network. The few firmware updates I've needed to do were applied using a thumb drive, and I use an AppleTV as my interface. When I travel, I bring along an AppleTV and plug the HDMI port into their set. This lets me keep the services I subscribe-to and use them with their display. This has worked great until my most-recent rental, which had a RokuTV -- presumably setup on Wif…

I love my ATV 4K. But it’s useless for traveling since hotels require you to login and the AppleTV doesn’t have a browser. The Roku sticks get around this by temporarily exposing a pass through wifi connection that you can connect to from your phone/computer and log in to your hotel’s wifi.

The only work around with the AppleTV is to buy a second travel router.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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> Some may argue that there's no need to be dramatic and that there's nothing wrong in seeing an occasional ad every now and then. Oh, no, I am very dramatic about this. I will go to any lengths not to see advertising. I will entirely forgo any platform that shows me even one ad, especially when I pay them. Amazon Prime video is already pushing it with their preroll previews. The second it's something else I'm cancel…

They already started showing ads to people with Twitch Prime a few years ago. It seems like its only a matter of time.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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FWIW, it is still possible to get TVs without this stuff, albeit at a premium. TVs are still made for business usage in areas like conference rooms, wall displays etc. They're often found under labeling like "commercial digital signage" or "business display" or the like, they seem to often try to avoid using "TV" (if being cynical maybe to make them harder for normal people to discover and confuse them if they do). But they're often nice panels aimed at serious running hours, without this sort of junk (which would give enterprise IT conniptions) and can have very useful feature support like 802.1x authentication which so many devices still lack. Players like NEC will even advertise their use of an RPi compute and wink at lack of spyware [0] for some of their products, but lots of major "smart TV" providers also have a commercial lineup.

I think they're well worth considering, particularly for the HN crowd, granted I suppose for people who truly want built-in netflix or the like without connecting something like a Roku or Apple TV maybe it's less optimal. But even they might change their tunes back to the concept of separate boxes and normal panels if they dislike all the ads and data tracking.

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0: https://www.sharpnecdisplays.us/products/displays/me501

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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post #53

At home, I've never connected my TV to my network. The few firmware updates I've needed to do were applied using a thumb drive, and I use an AppleTV as my interface. When I travel, I bring along an AppleTV and plug the HDMI port into their set. This lets me keep the services I subscribe-to and use them with their display. This has worked great until my most-recent rental, which had a RokuTV -- presumably setup on Wif…

> The few firmware updates I've needed to do were applied using a thumb drive What kind of firmware updates do you need to do on it, when its only purpose is to act as a screen?

>What kind of firmware updates do you need to do on it, when its only purpose is to act as a screen?

My display had an issue where the video modes necessary for the XBOX Series X were not working properly. The display would drop-out in some 4K modes. It's stable now, so I haven't checked/updated anything in about a year.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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post #53

At home, I've never connected my TV to my network. The few firmware updates I've needed to do were applied using a thumb drive, and I use an AppleTV as my interface. When I travel, I bring along an AppleTV and plug the HDMI port into their set. This lets me keep the services I subscribe-to and use them with their display. This has worked great until my most-recent rental, which had a RokuTV -- presumably setup on Wif…

> The few firmware updates I've needed to do were applied using a thumb drive What kind of firmware updates do you need to do on it, when its only purpose is to act as a screen?

> What kind of firmware updates do you need to do on it, when its only purpose is to act as a screen?

On some screens, signal processing has been significantly improved in later firmware versions. New features are also not uncommon, such as VRR and HFR being added after release[1]. This is particularity nice for modern consoles.

[1] https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=...

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

#90

There is a much better option for HN crowd: Buy a large/modern computer monitor and connect it to your homelab’s media server. Literally there is no need for a smart TV so long as you are capable of setting up a small homelab.

Not having an TV is also a viable option. Around 2016 my last TV broke down and i have adapted to live without it. When i say 'TV' i also mean to include Netflix and Hulu and other services serving the same purpose.

So, yes the alternative is not to use a device used by 95% homes in the US.

What next the old Slashdot meme - “I haven’t owned a TV in 10 years. Do people still watch TV?”

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