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The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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You can find these by searching “conference room monitor”

Depending on the size and brand, it's price is similar to "smart TVs". The bigger ones are costlier.

Of course, after all smart TVs have an ongoing revenue stream from ads and analytics. Despite having more capabilities, Smart TVs are also regularly cheaper than equivalent "dumb TVs".

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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Downfall implies a failure or ending, it seems like they're still selling like hotcakes. This is why we need regulation to save us from surveillance, most consumers want cheap and don't understand/care that they're selling their privacy instead.

That's the beauty of great click bait. A word or idiom can mean different things now to people from different social nets. "Downfall" here could mean in terms of sales, or it could mean in industry reputation, or even more things even the author isn't aware of. Either way the headline has apparently tested well probably due to its controversial meaning.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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The latest Sony TV's that offer Google TV can leverage "Basic Mode" which disables the 'smart' functionality leaving you with a dumb TV with best-in-class picture quality. It's perfect to pair to the device of your choice (Roku, Apple TV, Media Server, Xbox, etc). https://support.google.com/googletv/answer/10408998?hl=en

Does Sony have a history of remotely disabling or otherwise changing their hardware features? Because if they do, this Basic Mode is at their pleasure.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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Not having an TV is also a viable option. Around 2016 my last TV broke down and i have adapted to live without it. When i say 'TV' i also mean to include Netflix and Hulu and other services serving the same purpose.

I haven't had one since 2006. I haven't missed it, nor do I watch any streaming services apart from the occasional documentary that generally leaves me disappointed.

I agree that the quality is disappointingly bad, and this was the main driver behind my decision to not buy an replacement.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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Not mentioned: Samba(dot)TV... who are probably THE single most aggressive surveillance company operating in the Smart TV space. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/05/business/media/tv-viewer-... And the Pi-Hole list you want is here: https://github.com/Perflyst/PiHoleBlocklist

AFAIK it's at least still opt-in (different checkbox on-setup and all), and you can outright disable the APK on Android/Google TV.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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I feel like these anti-consumer practices by BigCorp can open the door for new companies to emerge on the market: build an ad-free tv, ad-free smartphones etc. Or is it just the effect of me living in a bubble while 99.9% of the customers don't care about this?

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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post #31

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No opt-out. It must be opt-in - off from the start. This does not stop companies from making it very difficult to stay opted out, or to disregard GDPR entirely. After all, enforcement is very rare.

Then it will be the classic "Do you want to opt-in?" popup with two options: "Yes" and "Ask later" with a lack of a No button. Just show this every time the TV is powered on, and getting "consent" is a matter of weeks at best.

Intent matters, and EU DPOs and courts have already begun striking back against dark patterns [0] years ago.

[1] https://www.datenschutzkanzlei.de/grenzen-des-nudging-lg-ros...

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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> Some may argue that there's no need to be dramatic and that there's nothing wrong in seeing an occasional ad every now and then. Oh, no, I am very dramatic about this. I will go to any lengths not to see advertising. I will entirely forgo any platform that shows me even one ad, especially when I pay them. Amazon Prime video is already pushing it with their preroll previews. The second it's something else I'm cancel…

Just cancelled Disney+ with the one worded reason: commercials

Wow. Thanks for the head's up. I have Disney+ and have not yet seen this, but I'm done as soon as it does.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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post #53

At home, I've never connected my TV to my network. The few firmware updates I've needed to do were applied using a thumb drive, and I use an AppleTV as my interface. When I travel, I bring along an AppleTV and plug the HDMI port into their set. This lets me keep the services I subscribe-to and use them with their display. This has worked great until my most-recent rental, which had a RokuTV -- presumably setup on Wif…

> The few firmware updates I've needed to do were applied using a thumb drive What kind of firmware updates do you need to do on it, when its only purpose is to act as a screen?

There can be all kinds of fixes and features in the FW for the various display modes. From SDR to HDR to audio settings.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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post #53

At home, I've never connected my TV to my network. The few firmware updates I've needed to do were applied using a thumb drive, and I use an AppleTV as my interface. When I travel, I bring along an AppleTV and plug the HDMI port into their set. This lets me keep the services I subscribe-to and use them with their display. This has worked great until my most-recent rental, which had a RokuTV -- presumably setup on Wif…

> Is this commonplace or is Roku the first of what's likely to be many doing the same?

As far as I can tell, it's not only commonplace but ubiquitous for any new TV you buy these days.

I recently moved and had to buy a number of TV sets over the years to outfit various guest rooms. All LG and Samsung TVs I've setup over the past 3 years have a "feature" like this you can manually disable if you dig down through menus enough.

Then every firmware update the flag gets reset to enabled of course :)

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