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Re: Ask HN: Are you going to quit?

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Post by hiyer »

almost_usual wrote: post #37
bluefirebrand wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're in a country with any kind of decent labour rights, getting let go is 100% better than quitting. If you quit you don't get EI, you don't get any kind of payoff from the company, and it looks worse than "I was let go due to company downsizing" when interviewing.

So get fired for not commuting to work then.

Getting fired is not the same as being laid off. If they fire you for insubordination (which is what not reporting for mandatory office attendance would be) or bad performance, they don't have to pay you anything. If you're laid off, most companies would give you at least a few months of pay in compensation.

Re: Ask HN: Are you going to quit?

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Post by missedthecue »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #39
missedthecue wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once a month?? Why the office hate?

Everything about working in an office sucks. Commuting sucks, paying for parking sucks, shared kitchens suck, open floor plans suck, office politics suck, being at the whim of people "just dropping by your desk to ask a quick question" sucks. Getting sick all the time when people don't stay home and they spread it around the office sucks. No seriously, I haven't had a cold or flu since the pandemic started, I love no…

I like commuting, I like smalltalk, I like dropping by people's desk to ask a quick question, and I don't mind it when people do the same to me. I like getting to know people, I like going out for lunch with coworkers, I like building relationships with people. I like knowing the identity of those I work with beyond a Slack pfp.

I can understand the not getting sick part, but I guess I never really suffered from colds that often. (Though I know some people who get them four times a year -- if this is you, I sympathize)

I know this website has a selection bias for introverts but surely I cannot be the only human who feels this way. The worst part is that anyone who wants WFH can have it, but I cannot have what I need. I pay for a WeWork just to get me out of the house, but that's basically nothing more than an expensive home office. My job is still 100% slack and zoom with everyone else in their bedrooms. WFH makes me depressed.

Re: Ask HN: Are you going to quit?

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Post by wXD29445tmDjTPC »

[Throwaway account but a real answer nonetheless].

I will quit in a few days due to a combination of various factors. I found out, way too late in my professional life, that I was exploited by all the companies I worked for. My salary being too low, and the ridiculous number of days working from home are important factors but it's not limited to this.

An old friend called me recently and offered me a job at his company. I thought about it for a few days, talked to my wife about it, and accepted an interview. That's where I discovered that I was being "exploited."

I will have interesting tasks, I'll work on modern C++ again which is good since I have been lazy about it and didn't improve for those past few years, I will have up to 4 days of WFH per week if I want, and I managed to get a 40% salary increase (yes, 40%).

My current employer refused all my demands: salary, WFH, support from the managers, budget, ... I will get most of that elsewhere. I will miss my colleagues who are very competent, but I will NOT miss the management and the crazy answers from the HR department. They will freak out though when I send my resignation letter as I became a central point across all the teams, but it's their loss.

End of the rant!

Re: Ask HN: Are you going to quit?

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Post by bravetraveler »

I probably would if mine were actually taking a stance. It's been mixed messaging so I'm on the fence.

I'm in a fairly odd situation, however. Prior to lockdown I was already WFH. Oddities are coming...

After the lockdown started we went through at least two leadership changes. Now I'll [eventually] have to self report by 'filing a request' to make the WFH status official.

It doesn't sound like it's something likely to be denied, but rather something I'll regret later.

I'm now having to basically have this same negotiation again six years later.

If I have to do that, I may as well do it for more money. I don't recognize my role [or team] anyway after going through the tumbler

Re: Ask HN: Are you going to quit?

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Post by [deleted] »

null_object wrote: post #44
frellus wrote: post #12

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> People who refuse to work from the office, even a few days out of the week, look like total snowflakes to me. I think the flexibility is good, and hardline rules will not go over well, but likewise I think people who refuse to work in the office at all -- when they're local! -- are eventually going be terminated. This is the sort of toxic colleague people are choosing to avoid at the office.

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Re: Ask HN: Are you going to quit?

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Post by missedthecue »

ParetoOptimal wrote: post #46
missedthecue wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a number of hiring boards and search engines that list jobs which are solely WFH. I wish I could find companies that are in-office only. I have a WeWork office, which I pay for with my own money. The change of scenery is nice, and I like commuting farther than 10 steps again, but what I really miss is being in one building with all my teammates. I cannot replicate that with a WeWork. I feel like I don't eve…

> I feel like I don't even know anyone in my company hired after March 2020. Video call them? Work on something together?

Video calling is part of the job. My company even makes an explicit effort to do remote "happy hours" (on the clock!) with games and quizzes and so forth. But just like any long distance relationship, digital communication is no replacement.

Re: Ask HN: Are you going to quit?

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Post by egeozcan »

missedthecue wrote: post #52
bluefirebrand wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything about working in an office sucks. Commuting sucks, paying for parking sucks, shared kitchens suck, open floor plans suck, office politics suck, being at the whim of people "just dropping by your desk to ask a quick question" sucks. Getting sick all the time when people don't stay home and they spread it around the office sucks. No seriously, I haven't had a cold or flu since the pandemic started, I love no…

I like commuting, I like smalltalk, I like dropping by people's desk to ask a quick question, and I don't mind it when people do the same to me. I like getting to know people, I like going out for lunch with coworkers, I like building relationships with people. I like knowing the identity of those I work with beyond a Slack pfp. I can understand the not getting sick part, but I guess I never really suffered from cold…

Why can't you just be you, together with other extroverts, and stop trying to convince others to come to the office?

As people are discussing if they should quit over having to come to the office, you can also think about quitting because you don't have an office to go to?

Re: Ask HN: Are you going to quit?

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Post by otoburb »

missedthecue wrote: post #52
bluefirebrand wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything about working in an office sucks. Commuting sucks, paying for parking sucks, shared kitchens suck, open floor plans suck, office politics suck, being at the whim of people "just dropping by your desk to ask a quick question" sucks. Getting sick all the time when people don't stay home and they spread it around the office sucks. No seriously, I haven't had a cold or flu since the pandemic started, I love no…

I like commuting, I like smalltalk, I like dropping by people's desk to ask a quick question, and I don't mind it when people do the same to me. I like getting to know people, I like going out for lunch with coworkers, I like building relationships with people. I like knowing the identity of those I work with beyond a Slack pfp. I can understand the not getting sick part, but I guess I never really suffered from cold…

>>The worst part is that anyone who wants WFH can have it, but I cannot have what I need.

Some employers are mandating back to office, so this option is being taken away. Those that prefer to WFH are not able to have what they need/want.

I'm always curious why those who like to work in the office are opposed to letting employees choose what they wish to do.

>>My job is still 100% slack and zoom with everyone else in their bedrooms. WFH makes me depressed.

I feel that most WFH proponents are in the minority, or on the spectrum of wanting to have the option to go in sometimes. So hopefully you won't be 100% on Slack/Zoom if employees are given the choice.

Re: Ask HN: Are you going to quit?

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Post by cratermoon »

Jtsummers wrote: post #48
almost_usual wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So get fired for not commuting to work then.

If you want to qualify for unemployment (in the US), don't get fired. Losing your job through your own fault usually disqualifies you from collecting.

Smaller companies will let you go and say you shouldn't get unemployment insurance, but if you appeal they won't bother to contest, so you can collect anyway. This works especially well if the company's HQ are in a different state than were you work, but it also depends which state you reside. It's not solely about so-called "at will", though.
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