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This Program is Illegally Packaged in 14 Distributions

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Re: This Program is Illegally Packaged in 14 Distributions

#41

At least it's just unlicensed, not something worse like AGPL /s Yes, it's a joke and it's funny when several companies, including Google [1] are very scared of that license. [1] https://opensource.google/documentation/reference/using/agpl...

Having no license is worse than AGPL to companies like Google.

No license is inherently "All Rights Reserved", so you're correct.

Re: This Program is Illegally Packaged in 14 Distributions

#42

Haha, this is why I am using Unlicense license for almost everything. Licenses create unnecessary fuzz. As a technician I have no interest in them

It's my cursory understanding that the Unlicense is equivalent to "© iamcorpix, All rights reserved" in jurisdictions that don't have a legal mechanism to completely disclaim copyright (e.g. the United States). Essentially, you can dedicate your copyright interest to the public domain, but you will always retain the ability to revoke that dedication as the original author of the work.

It's much easier to just use MIT, which is functionally the same, but in legal terms you are granting a perpetual license that can't be revoked.

Re: This Program is Illegally Packaged in 14 Distributions

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speeding in the US ̶g̶e̶n̶e̶r̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶i̶s̶ (edit: can be) a criminal summary offense.

What does “summary” mean in this context?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summary_offence

Re: This Program is Illegally Packaged in 14 Distributions

#44
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You make it sound like copyright infringement is never a crime, when that isn't true at all. 18 U.S.C. § 2319. Now, the commercial use or intent of the software in question isn't analyzed in the OP (or in your comment) and I haven't dug into it. In this particular case it may or may not meet the elements of the five-year federal felony. But your comment is far too quick to dismiss the possibility. (Additionally, as a…

Have you confirmed the physical location and applicable jurisdictions of the maintainers of those distros or why focus specifically on US law here? I know the US is trying (and often getting away with) unilaterally setting rules on the global stage but let's try to not play along.

I can think of at least a few individuals who might support the idea that US jurisdiction is either the only jurisdiction that matters, or at least covers the 90% of the Earth at minimum.

Let's see:

1. Kim DotCom 2. Julian Assange 3. Edward Snowden 4. Henry Kissinger 5. Meng Wanzhou

The list goes on I imagine, those are just the notable ones from my lifetime.

Re: This Program is Illegally Packaged in 14 Distributions

#45
Some distributions take this more seriously than others. Debian, historically, is the largest stickler about this. I've had to delay packaging things for licensing problems[1], written 1000+ line d/copyright files[2], etc. Not all distributions will take the investigations that seriously.

I'm not saying that Debian always gets it right either! Just, there's an emphasis on doing so.

[1]: https://github.com/openstenoproject/plover/issues/560 [2]: https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/a/an...

Re: This Program is Illegally Packaged in 14 Distributions

#46
post #24

This makes me wonder: has any judge ruled in favor of a plaintiff seeking compensation from people that used or redistributed software that he published on the internet for free without any copyright notice or disclaimer?

I was thinking the same. It being published on GitHub makes it especially difficult to claim damages for reuse, as I think it’s fair to say the very act of publishing to GitHub implies a desire to share the code.

The real issue would be if the author decides they want to close source it later, updates the license, and then demands everyone stop using it.

Re: This Program is Illegally Packaged in 14 Distributions

#47
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you confirmed the physical location and applicable jurisdictions of the maintainers of those distros or why focus specifically on US law here? I know the US is trying (and often getting away with) unilaterally setting rules on the global stage but let's try to not play along.

I can think of at least a few individuals who might support the idea that US jurisdiction is either the only jurisdiction that matters, or at least covers the 90% of the Earth at minimum. Let's see: 1. Kim DotCom 2. Julian Assange 3. Edward Snowden 4. Henry Kissinger 5. Meng Wanzhou The list goes on I imagine, those are just the notable ones from my lifetime.

6/7/8: brokep, anakata, tiamo.

It's still early to tell but we may have to add Aleksey Pertsev to this list :/

> 3. Edward Snowden

U.S. citizen being hunted for acts committed on US soil so as terrible as prosecuting them is, I don't see how it's relevant here.

Other than that, yes, my point is we should not be normalizing and shrugging this off as "the way things are". Individuals and businesses are doing right in taking this into their risk-calculations but that does not make it lawful or constitutional even when local governments or LE are complicit.

Not everyone are as aware of this as you and I and comments like GP frame this in a deceptive way for those who aren't. If done deliberately and under certain other circumstances I'd even call it propaganda (not saying that's what GP is intending to do but one can both speak truth and have good intentions while still spreading propaganda).

Re: This Program is Illegally Packaged in 14 Distributions

#48
post #21
post #13

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edit: I stand corrected

Lawyers make a distinction between "illegal" (crimes) and "unlawful" (torts) that is mostly lost on the general public.

Do you have any references? That doesn’t sound true.

From dictionary.law.com:

illegal

adj. in violation of statute, regulation or ordinance, which may be criminal or merely not in conformity. Thus, an armed robbery is illegal, and so is an access road which is narrower than the county allows, but the violation is not criminal.

unlawful

adj. referring to any action which is in violation of a statute, federal or state constitution, or established legal precedents

Re: This Program is Illegally Packaged in 14 Distributions

#49

Indeed they are not a lawyer. A lawyer would know that this is not illegal. It violates the rights of the copyright holder, but that’s not a crime.

You make it sound like copyright infringement is never a crime, when that isn't true at all. 18 U.S.C. § 2319. Now, the commercial use or intent of the software in question isn't analyzed in the OP (or in your comment) and I haven't dug into it. In this particular case it may or may not meet the elements of the five-year federal felony. But your comment is far too quick to dismiss the possibility. (Additionally, as a…

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Re: This Program is Illegally Packaged in 14 Distributions

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speeding in the US ̶g̶e̶n̶e̶r̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶i̶s̶ (edit: can be) a criminal summary offense.

I believe speeding tickets are generally civil summary offenses. Criminal summary offenses are apparently even called "non-traffic summary offenses" in some places to distinguish them. Every speeding ticket I've ever gotten specifically noted that it was a civil infraction. When a police error resulted a summons for attaching license plates to a car they weren't registered to, the ticket in the mail specifically said…

After a quick search, I think you might be right.. or at least my generalization is too hasty.
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