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Re: Ask HN: Anyone working 4 day week here, as an employee?

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I've worked formal 3 and 4 day week arrangements. Net experience: it's pointless, if you're working 4 day weeks and you're feeling behind, you may well end up working that 5th day without anyone asking. Similarly in a 5 day week arrangement, I've never felt compelled to actually work the full week especially when I'm ahead. Ignoring any formality, I think most folk work a 2-3 week if they were honest about it. I woul…

We work 4 days a week (4x7.5) and we have a very strict “policy” that no one works on a Monday. The same way that no one works on a Saturday or a Sunday. It’s easy to see when people work outside of work, and we don’t celebrate it, we try and find out why it happened and to change process to better protect time off. Generally employees working “overtime” is not a failure of them, it’s a failure of process (estimation, workload, support, roadmap etc)

“Most folk work a 2-3 day week” - while this maybe true, don’t let it discount a bonafide 4 day work week. On the extra day off I’m presumed uncontactable and not at my desk. There’s a big difference between that and being at work but not really working.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone working 4 day week here, as an employee?

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Many employers are looking for the hours to be filled, without necessarily specifying that each employee works the whole hours. That is especially the case for enterprises that work 7 days a week or (say) 12 hours a day. In those cases, you either negotiate upfront before you start that you are only available for 3, 4 or five days a week or whatever number you want. Or you state at some point that you want to reduce…

This perspective looks at programming like factory work: output == hours worked * some factor.

But in reality, most employers in tech that have allowed some or all employees to reduce their hours have found no productivity loss, or in some cases productivity gains. That's why often employers are OK with leaving the salary the same when moving to 4-day weeks.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone working 4 day week here, as an employee?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a software engineer. I'm working at a startup now after basically refusing to work at start-ups, or any kind of tech company, my entire career prior. I always worked at normal stable trustworthy non-tech companies that happened to need software engineers. I would still prefer to go back to the non-tech non-startup industry, but the offer was too good. The process took less than a year. I entertained pitches from…

> Most of them I rejected immediately because the jobs were beneath my high moral standard. Earlier you mentioned > Eventually a place made an offer I couldn’t refuse. Did you need to sacrifice morals for this offer? Or is there some other reason you took the offer?

It sounds like he only applied and went through the interview process for jobs that already passed his “high moral standard”

Re: Ask HN: Anyone working 4 day week here, as an employee?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My life is so good right now despite the world being terrible. The world is overwhelmingly amazing, not terrible. For the majority of people this is one of the best times to be alive in all of human history. Rivaled only by the years prior to the pandemic.

War, Deglobalization, Climate Change, Resource scarcity, Economic bubbles. What the fuck are you on about, the world is olympic diving into the garbage heap. Edit: If you downvote, please have the decency to explain your reasoning. Are you saying this opinion is incorrect? Why? It is to my understanding a race against time, when concerning climate change alone. One we are losing. Do you just dislike hearing about it?

Many of the issues that seem like doom and gloom will be solved, through human ingenuity and perseverance. Getting all bent out of shape and depressed is not the answer as the truth is that all those things aren’t nearly as bad as many are making them out to be. Your understanding of climate change is severely limited, and yes your opinion is thoroughly unfounded when you look at the full picture.

The current wars are barely a blip compared to wars in years past.

Deglobalization at the scale it’s happening is a good thing so I’m not sure why you’re upset about it. The scale at which we were doing it was unsustainable and was causing more harm than good in the more recent past.

Resource scarcity is something people like to cry wolf about but never actually comes to pass.

Economic bubbles have existed for millennia and aren’t new or that scary.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone working 4 day week here, as an employee?

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I work 6h x 5d.

7 person company doing CMS customization and operations for large gov, edu, and ngo clients.

I started as a contractor at that schedule, and when my boss wanted to "put a ring on it" they didn't want to up my pay by 30%. If you account for that time, I am in the top 10% of earners for my stack according to stack overflow.

That process took a long time and a willingness to work for "less", as well as a lot of uncertainty and a willingness to do a lot of shit work that should be "not my problem".

Also, after having worked with the same business for the last 7 years, there are some things that I feel I could improve:

- I'm the old guy who is supposed to know fix the hard issues and if I can't figure it out then it probably isn't getting fixed - I haven't gotten reasonable raises but I don't want to start my own business or take a full-time position (though I have gotten some okay bonuses) - I'm working mostly with WordPress, which has a number of infuriating flaws and while I've gotten better at identifying, preventing, and remediating them it's still a crappy stack - I've had to learn a lot of infrastructure stuff I don't particularly care about

But I do have health insurance, and have been working a relaxed schedule remotely the entire time. I've spent a lot of time practicing various musical instruments while ruminating on my work. And we're usually pretty easy-going about moving hours around if (for instance) the snow is really good and I want to get out and ski.

Also, I get the idea that everyone in my business has gone through some serious depressive or other personal issues (based on their periodic lack of availability) over the time we've been working together... I know that when my second marriage was breaking up there were multi-day periods where I was literally phoning it in for several months. I consider the fact that we're all still working and getting a lot of useful, remunerative things done to be one fact that keeps me working this business instead of, like, taking up electrical contracting (that is, finding another trade) where I think I could have more control over my working conditions.

I also have enough extra time that I can work side gigs, mostly involved with performing music in a variety of capacities. I happily engineered a concert last night and played a trio gig at a beautiful winery today.

I feel incredibly fortunate, even though I could probably triple my annual income if I were motivated.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone working 4 day week here, as an employee?

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In my previous job I asked my boss if he would let me drop down to 3 days per week (60% salary). To my slight surprise, he was totally fine with it I did this after working hard for ~1 year at the company. Once you prove your worth, it's in your employers interests to keep you i.e. it would cost them way more if you left for another job with shorter working hours so don't be afraid to ask If it was doing it again tho…

Is it typical to find completely unacceptable pay on your site? Listings that have requirement for engineers which could pull home 200-300k a year wanting to pay $15 an hour. I guess this is why "nobody wants to work anymore" One listing (company name omitted to protect the witness): Requirements BS/MS in Computer Science Strong in Data Structure/Algorithms, can solve intermediate-level Leetcode questions with ease E…

There's no way that gets filled right? That's completely divorced from reality lol.
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