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Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by sdflhasjd »

derefr wrote: post #156
lastangryman wrote: post #133

I feel like I may be the only developer that prefers Windows to MacOs. I really, really just do not get the "Mac Experience". It feels so clunky and counter intuitive. - Why does the alt tab equivalent cycle through applications first, and I need another shortcut to cycle through the windows of that application? When I have an IDE with 5x instances, hosting different projects, it's a pain switching back to the projec…

> I attach a non Mac external monitor to a new MacBook Pro from work and the text is super blurry. Much googling later and I need to use something called Better Display to create a virtual display, and project that to my monitor That’s not the correct solution. The correct solution is for the monitor manufacturer to stop reporting an EDID that identifies their monitor as a TV (and thereby forces the OS to default to…

It could just be macOs's staggeringly bad text rendering on low dpi displays.

I believe that subpixel font rendering being removed several years ago is the cause.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by sdflhasjd »

threeseed wrote: post #46
hammyhavoc wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your parents, kids et cetera aren't power users though. Macs used to be for professionals, but Apple started seriously chasing the consumer demographic with the original iMac.

> Macs used to be for professionals Makes you wonder who is then buying these expensive MacBook Pros, Mac Studios and Mac Pros. I guess it's those grandmas needing 28 cores for their recipes.

For a lot of people, having a macbook pro is a fashion statement. Sort of like owning a luxury car to be stuck in traffic most of the time.

After all, is the base model of the 13in MBP actually a 'pro' device? $1300 gets you a paltry 256GB of storage and 8GB of RAM - now they've upgraded from more than 2 ports though.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by MaxikCZ »

squeaky-clean wrote: post #115
threeseed wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Macs used to be for professionals Makes you wonder who is then buying these expensive MacBook Pros, Mac Studios and Mac Pros. I guess it's those grandmas needing 28 cores for their recipes.

Seems like you're joking but I know far too many people who have bought a garbage $300 windows laptop, absolutely hated it, then they bought a $2000 MacBook Pro. They always mention how much nicer the Mac is than their old Windows laptop but never mention that they bought a bargain-bin Windows laptop and a modern flagship Mac. Even if I try to advise them to to just get a Windows laptop in the $800 range or so, they…

My current work laptop is twice the price of my personal M1 Air. There is no comparison, the Apple wins on all but one front: I cant install uBlock into Safari.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by tailspin2019 »

lastangryman wrote: post #133

I feel like I may be the only developer that prefers Windows to MacOs. I really, really just do not get the "Mac Experience". It feels so clunky and counter intuitive. - Why does the alt tab equivalent cycle through applications first, and I need another shortcut to cycle through the windows of that application? When I have an IDE with 5x instances, hosting different projects, it's a pain switching back to the projec…

You won’t convince me to switch back to windows in a hurry, but I agree with all of your points entirely.

(Aside from the monitor issue - not sure what that’s all about!)

macOS could do with some work on window management and I’m not convinced that what’s coming in Ventura is what we actually needed.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by smeagull »

derefr wrote: post #156
lastangryman wrote: post #133

I feel like I may be the only developer that prefers Windows to MacOs. I really, really just do not get the "Mac Experience". It feels so clunky and counter intuitive. - Why does the alt tab equivalent cycle through applications first, and I need another shortcut to cycle through the windows of that application? When I have an IDE with 5x instances, hosting different projects, it's a pain switching back to the projec…

> I attach a non Mac external monitor to a new MacBook Pro from work and the text is super blurry. Much googling later and I need to use something called Better Display to create a virtual display, and project that to my monitor That’s not the correct solution. The correct solution is for the monitor manufacturer to stop reporting an EDID that identifies their monitor as a TV (and thereby forces the OS to default to…

Actually the correct solution is to buy a laptop that just works.

Nobody cares if Apple are following a spec, they care about the experience of using their hardware. And it's awful.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by smeagull »

derefr wrote: post #281
account-5 wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The OPs solution is the only valid solution they have open to them though.

The personal solution is to not buy monitors from manufacturers that fail to put EDID chips in their HDMI signal path. The set of manufacturers that do this is well-documented.

Yup, the solution is to not buy apple laptops.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by smeagull »

lastangryman wrote: post #133

I feel like I may be the only developer that prefers Windows to MacOs. I really, really just do not get the "Mac Experience". It feels so clunky and counter intuitive. - Why does the alt tab equivalent cycle through applications first, and I need another shortcut to cycle through the windows of that application? When I have an IDE with 5x instances, hosting different projects, it's a pain switching back to the projec…

I agree actually.

I'm primarily a Linux developer, but am now forced on to an M1 mac for work, and it's hot garbage. They force their own half-assed unsupported ways of doing things and break the standards that work on both Windows and Linux.

The state of gaming is actually worse than on Linux.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by smeagull »

ris58h wrote: post #360
lastangryman wrote: post #133

I feel like I may be the only developer that prefers Windows to MacOs. I really, really just do not get the "Mac Experience". It feels so clunky and counter intuitive. - Why does the alt tab equivalent cycle through applications first, and I need another shortcut to cycle through the windows of that application? When I have an IDE with 5x instances, hosting different projects, it's a pain switching back to the projec…

If you need Windows like alt tab, check out https://alt-tab-macos.netlify.app/ It's free and open-source https://github.com/lwouis/alt-tab-macos

Yup, and it breaks for certain applications like Chrome or Terminal when they are launched after it. The Alt-Tab just ignores that they exist.

Macs fucking suck.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by smeagull »

anonymouse008 wrote: post #2

This guy has no idea what he’s talking about. One language, one gui framework, and one API paradigm - unified across all contextual devices - is exactly what Apple should do. SwiftUI is not it by any means, but to say that the idea of SwiftUI tries to achieve is a bad aim is completely wrong. The aim of UIKit on all Apple devices is 100% correct; and allows developers to go deep into the API forest to create mystical…

Unify everything by fragmenting further?

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by smeagull »

etempleton wrote: post #403

I think both Windows and MacOS are in weird places. Linux is Linux and I don’t see it suddenly becoming a better option for the masses any time soon so I don’t know what the solution is. MacOS could be great with some small tweaks to the finder and modernization of how windows, full screen, and external displays function. They just need to do a comprehensive rethink here because it is clunky. Windows is actually for…

> Linux, well, is Linux. I get it, you have it setup perfectly, for you. And it is super stable, for you. And it has come a long way in usability, for you. It just isn’t a suitable alternative for your average user.

Funny, I feel the same way about both Windows and MacOS. Although both have made massive steps backwards lately.

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