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A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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One solution to many of these concerns is a periodic backup (via Takeout) of your Google account.

I have tried this many times, and literally the only time it succeeded was when I had it exported to Google Drive. It feels like they built it to say that you can, but your data is still just as locked as before…

I've been getting mine as a large-ish (16GiB) TGZ type file for many years.

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I run a server at home and I’ve set up Nextcloud. I don’t trust it to be more reliable than a paid service. The thing about self hosted solutions is you’re completely on your own if something goes wrong. You need to make sure you’re backing things up, that you can restore your Nextcloud configuration if your sql database takes a dump or you fat finger and delete some config files (I’ve done both). Or if you have a po…

If something goes wrong with your google account (or other SaaS that would lose your data, or ban you without recourse), you are not even on your own, you're just trully fucked. It's poof gone and no local/internet tech geek will be able to help you. If something goes wrong with your at home nextcloud, you still have the data/hw, and you can either get help troubleshooting from someone who understands what they're do…

In addition, backing up the services isn't that costly these days. Backblaze provides massive storage space at cheap rates and integrates well with encrypted backup software like Duplicity, Borg or Restic. Recovery from failure is usually a breeze with these software.

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Honestly: don't upload unencrypted content to anyone, for exactly this reason. I have cloud backups of family photos, but they're all through restic or rclone with the crypt filter applied. Privacy is about the right to put yourself in context .

Sorry, 99.99999% of the general population don't know what restic or rclone is. In fact, I won't be surprised if 90% of software engineers have never heard of them. These things aren't really know outside circles like hacker news.

As software engineers and the stewards of modern technology, we have a responsibility to build tools which enable capability for the rest of the people - particularly in the open source world.

People can't run their own encrypted messengers so we have Signal. People should be provided with interfaces, and advocated too, use cloud services for their data in a safe way.

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So what would you like The government to “prevent” Google from doing in this case?

Anti-trust laws, regulation on how to handle criminal activity on their platform (transfer detected pornography cases to law enforcement and allow them to decide what to do with the person and its related accounts. Google should not be handling something like this), and other privacy laws? I don't get why you tried to make this gotcha, this isn't a stretch by any imagination - the auto industry is incredibly regulate…

I’m looking at the 99 section 11 chapter privacy laws. How has that affected Google, Facebook etc?

We know what effect affective privacy policies have - the ten line policy change on Apple App Store has caused all of the ad supported platforms to announce falling revenue. The GDPR has only caused cookie pop ups.

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> Not only did he lose emails, contact information for friends and former colleagues, and documentation of his son’s first years of life, his Google Fi account shut down, meaning he had to get a new phone number with another carrier. Without access to his old phone number and email address, he couldn’t get the security codes he needed to sign in to other internet accounts, locking him out of much of his digital life.…

> The more eggs you have in one basket, the more likely the basket is to break This. Use Yahoo for your email, Verizon for your phone number, Dropbox for your backups, Facebook for your socials… It doesn’t matter which you choose, but fragment your digital life. When one part goes bad, it won’t infect the others.

Honesty, I wish self hosting was easy enough for ordinary people to do. Then there would be no reason to recommend people to fragment their digital life among dozens of ad-funded SaaS platforms. There is no reason why it has to be so hard. But not enough effort has gone into developing such systems due to obvious reasons. Sandstorm project, for example pioneered a model where users could deploy web apps like they would install mobile apps on their phone. Sadly, it didn't achieve the level of popularity it needed.

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My pictures and videos are synced to iCloud, Google Photos, and MS OneDrive. My photos are synced to Amazon Drive too.

That sounds sorta expensive but I get it. I’m at 3tb of photos and videos. It’s becoming unmanageable… anyone aware of an self hosted multi redundancy photo storage that doesn’t involve manual copying of large amounts of files? Or other non time consuming setups that works with iPhones (me and my SO)?

I use Backblaze B2 and ‘PhotoSync’. PhotoSync is great in any case, as it can push and pull from basically anywhere. The only issue is it’s phone based.

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What is not explained in the article is how the telehealth's services came in contact with Google's image-scanning to begin with. Is this not a huge breach of HIPAA? Telehealth is sort of done for if randos at bug tech can find there way into your sexual health records.

>Mark’s wife grabbed her husband’s phone and texted a few high-quality close-ups of their son’s groin area to her iPhone so she could upload them to the health care provider’s messaging system.

It sounds like it was probably the texting (maybe via the Google Messages app?) that got the images flagged, rather than the telehealth system.

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I’ve heard great things about Google Domains but this kind of story is exactly why I probably won’t be using that service. It’s just too risky if you lose everything at once.

Using Google for anything at this point feels like a ‘told you so’ waiting to happen.

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> Mark spoke with a lawyer about suing Google and how much it might cost. > “I decided it was probably not worth $7,000,” he said. I believe it is one of the roots of the problem. How is it even possible that getting justice in court in such a trivial case costs about three months of median income?

Well, it's really not straightforward to know what would be the outcome of such a lawsuit. Google's ToS is one thing but the main point is that random user uploading family photos is not a protected group, so Google refusing service is very much their right. The state usually cannot force otherwise.

The state should. Otherwise, what’s the point of having it.

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Also, it looks like a powerful attack vector. Just slip a questionable content onto a victim's phone - and voila, a lot of trouble is under way, probably irreversible.

Especially because you can take photos with someone's phone without locking it. All you need is brief physical access to the phone.

You also need brief physical access to a naked child at the same time as the phone. That may be a bit more difficult to arrange.
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