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A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by wormer »

blueflow wrote: post #266
wormer wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who's in college and looking/lookedfor internships to do over the summer, postal is literally not an option anymore. Companies will not offer a mailing address to their hiring team at all, and if you send something via mail they will simply not look at it. Also, post-pandemic, most interviews are done via Zoom, so how are you going to do that then? Even if you're in the same area as the company you're appl…

This sounds really bad! Where are you from?

New York City, and I don't think it's bad. The effort it takes for me to apply to jobs, and conversely, to approve/reject applicants (according to other people that I've talked to) is easier than having to sort through a ton of junk mail.

People on Hacker News like to propose "just use low-tech!" or "just self host!" often and I don't get how that's a solution. I _could_ spend hours of my day printing out and mailing my resume to companies (if they allowed me to) and waiting days-weeks for my response _after_ they made their decision (during which time I still have to pay bills and have no job) or I could apply with one button on Linkedin and get my response back instantly. It just saves so much time.

Others will say that that's a small price to pay to retain my freedom, which might be true. But what's not true is the other qualities of life that internet and big data affords me. If I don't have instagram or snapchat I literally lose all spontaneous contact with my friends and family. Sure, I _could_ mail them a letter, but with the delay in communication a lot of the intimacy is lost, and we would truthfully just talk a lot less. This, along with a lot of other problems (how do I contact my professor for help after class? go to their house?). Combined with the fact that I would have to be _extremely_ thorough and make sure that my data is scrubbed from all of Facebook/Google/Twitter/Whatever and it's subcompanies, it's just not a real solution. It's actually really annoying that so many are content with infeasible individual solutions instead of advocating for things like pushing against the EARN IT act or the like. I shouldn't have to have a computer science or cyber security degree to be private online - it should be done for me by the government. I don't know what the fuck is in that vaccine (or any medicine I take for that matter) but I can trust that it does me good because of regulations.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by hedora »

tomohawk wrote: post #386
desindol wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead of questioning the use of whatsapp for medical purposes by a medical professional you tell them to use signal or telegram?

What would you recomend, then? At least the two I recommend won't destroy your whole digital life if they don't like you.

I think the issue is that you're trying to optimize for patient privacy, quality of health care service, and doctor productivity.

The other commenter is trying to optimize for "doctor does not go to jail".

The two goals are mutually exclusive in this case.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by jrmg »

ugjka wrote: post #71

> Not only did he lose emails, contact information for friends and former colleagues, and documentation of his son’s first years of life, his Google Fi account shut down, meaning he had to get a new phone number with another carrier. Without access to his old phone number and email address, he couldn’t get the security codes he needed to sign in to other internet accounts, locking him out of much of his digital life.…

This is why I’m something of a two factor authentication Luddite. I (think) I understand the benefits - but the fact that every factor is an additional single point of failure freaks me out.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by hedora »

userbinator wrote: post #441
mgpc wrote: post #425

Google's arrogance here is astonishing. The police say no fault, and it's the subject of an NYT investigation, and they still won't restore the account. What hope do the rest of us have? I've been an Android user for a long time, but I think this might finally push me to switch to Apple. I'm just disgusted by this.

The Apple who caused an immense controversy with its CSAM scanning debacle? All of Big Tech is ultimately not so different.

They cancelled the CSAM scanning project. In contrast, Google has been doing CSAM (and apparently AI porn detection) for years.

Also, the bone-headed Apple plan had safeguards that would have prevented the victim in the article from losing their account.

The two policies aren't remotely comparable.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by deepdriver »

MrStonedOne wrote: post #348
elif wrote: post #276

From my travels, my impression has been that America in particular treats child nudity as completely, unexceptionally obscene, beyond even adult nudity. Compared to a beach in Europe, where nearly half of children under 2 run naked, there seems to be no grey area or minimum acceptability in the US. It makes me wonder if our hypersexualized treatment of child nudity /actively contributes/ to the sexualization of child…

In the us, there is an unspoken belief that preventing criminals from ""winning"" is more important than protecting citizens. This is why police fired into a stolen minivan that had a unrelated child and a shoplifting/carjacking suspect in it, killing both. Protecting the child took a back seat to punishing the prep. Therefore CP laws very quickly stopped being about protecting the children and more about punishing t…

This is a tall pile of claims without citations.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by adventured »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #442
therealdrag0 wrote: post #420

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similar in South Korea: https://www.thesun.co.uk/travel/5476857/south-korean-game-do... But what does this have to do with nudity or destroying lives? Seems totally off base.

The similarity is because it's an example of something other cultures see as normal, or at least harmless, but in the US it is seen as an egregious offense. Not hard for me to imagine a 7 year old American getting expelled and potentially prosecuted for trying to play a "Kancho" prank on a friend.

And many normal cultural things in the US would be regarded as an egregious offense in Japan (which has a very rigid, conservative, homogenous culture).

So what.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by NoPicklez »

lizardactivist wrote: post #14

But they keep insisting that their services and cloud storage is private and secure? Odd.

Private and secure are ambiguous terms that mean different things to different people. They're insisting its private and secure because there is some level of privacy and security.

Whether you would consider that private and secure enough, is a different story

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by hedora »

JulianMorrison wrote: post #206

Reporting the images to law enforcement is good. There should be a human in the loop to separate medical images from exploitative ones. Perma-deleting his account on an automated accusation is bad. That should hinge on, at minimum, law enforcement's decision to charge a crime. [Edit: unless the criminality of the images is obvious - again, a human needs to be in the loop.]

Perma-deleting the account is destruction of evidence, so even if the criminality is obvious, an account lock makes more sense.

Even an account lock is probably a bad idea; it alerts the pedophile that they're under investigation, allowing them to destroy evidence, cut ties with coconspirators, etc.

Best to let law enforcement deal with it. In this case, assuming it somehow went to trial, the jury would almost certainly acquit, and the account would be restored.

There is the matter of the accused losing access to the account while the case was active though. That's potentially a big deal.

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Post by userbinator »

jrmg wrote: post #453
ugjka wrote: post #71

> Not only did he lose emails, contact information for friends and former colleagues, and documentation of his son’s first years of life, his Google Fi account shut down, meaning he had to get a new phone number with another carrier. Without access to his old phone number and email address, he couldn’t get the security codes he needed to sign in to other internet accounts, locking him out of much of his digital life.…

This is why I’m something of a two factor authentication Luddite. I (think) I understand the benefits - but the fact that every factor is an additional single point of failure freaks me out.

TOTP keys, backed up physically (as in, written down and stored somewhere safe), are probably a good way to balance the failure mode with the security.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by NoPicklez »

scarface74 wrote: post #12

I have a larger issue that no one addressed. There has to be some type of special software for the medical profession that allows you to take a picture on your phone that is not stored on your phone and that you send to the doctor.

You have a better chance of Google just doing the right thing than that happening.

The health sector isn't known for having a secure anything, furthermore getting health companies to agree on one thing together is almost impossible.

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