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Silent crisis of soaring excess deaths in Britain is only tip of the iceberg
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Re: Silent crisis of soaring excess deaths in Britain is only tip of the iceberg
#322Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It how do we share out increasingly scarce resources in a country that is getting poorer In this instance, the resources are humans, and it seems you want to force humans to do something they don't want to do. If you want slave-doctors just say so. It worked for the Romans I guess.
This is the argument I hate the most from Americans w.r.t. nationalised healthcare. It's unbelievable
Except it isn't an argument against nationalised healthcare. The UK has nationalised health care and that is what OP is complaining about. I think it would be more an argument by OP against "nationalised healthcare with legal private healthcare".
The exact argument is "doctors/nurses are limited, and they aren't behaving how I think they should behave. Let's fix the system so they have no choice". I guess that isn't slavery, that is just funneling people into a single path which they clearly don't like, because they reject that path when they have literally more than one option open to them.
Re: Silent crisis of soaring excess deaths in Britain is only tip of the iceberg
#323Covid is one aspect of this. Another is the massive. underfunding of the NHS over the last decade. This has become much more evident post-covid thanks to the backlogs. - Getting a GP to see you in person is now quite difficult (they want to do everything via phone). - Seeing your GP (depending on your area) can involve a 2-3 week wait and waiting in an hours long phone queue. - When you are referred to hospital for t…
Indeed; the reason people exonerate it is that the Tories have been threatening the population with a dismantling and privatisation of the NHS for over a decade now, and that's not what anyone wants. People want the NHS to work, to be funded and managed appropriately. A primary reason it doesn't is the Tories crippling it.
>that's not what anyone wants. People want the NHS to work, to be funded and managed appropriately.
No, they want cost-effective healthcare. Almost everywhere else in the world uses a mixed public-private model for healthcare, which IMHO keeps a lid on the excesses of government spending into the money pit of fully-public healthcare.
Re: Silent crisis of soaring excess deaths in Britain is only tip of the iceberg
#324Earlier quoted context omitted.
The point of private enterprise is it has to cost less or be a better product to survive, which is why things like cars are unbelievably better than they were 50 years ago, or even 10 years ago. E.g. saying a state-run car company would've done better because all that profit money would've been perfectly allocated is not right. Otherwise the government's perfect decision-makers would be starting car companies left an…
If fossil fueled cars burning leaded fuel on state funded roads and then getting bailed out not that long ago is your idea of free enterprise triumphing over the state, you might not be as capitalist as you think you are. "Bob Lutz compares Tesla to socialism after GM took $11B from taxpayers under his reign" https://electrek.co/2016/08/18/bob-lutz-compares-tesla-socia... I agree that cars are much better than they w…
> on state funded roads
Roads aren't cars? I'm not saying that central planning is never a good idea, just that it's mostly not a good idea. "Where to put roads that a private company will build" is a reasonable role of government in a capitalist society.
> and then getting bailed out
I don't think they should've been bailed out. That was politicians buying car worker votes by doing politician things, like inflating the currency to make everyone's wages worth less.
Cars are better not mostly because of regulations, but because of manufacturing improvements, electronic/chip hardware and software improvements, and, most of all, competition.
Re: Silent crisis of soaring excess deaths in Britain is only tip of the iceberg
#325Covid is one aspect of this. Another is the massive. underfunding of the NHS over the last decade. This has become much more evident post-covid thanks to the backlogs. - Getting a GP to see you in person is now quite difficult (they want to do everything via phone). - Seeing your GP (depending on your area) can involve a 2-3 week wait and waiting in an hours long phone queue. - When you are referred to hospital for t…
There has been no drop in funding that might account for the recent "soaring excess deaths". Quite the opposite. https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-... You speak of massive underfunding, but NHS funding has increased in real terms almost every single year since the 1950s: https://fullfact.org/health/spending-english-nhs/ "At the moment, UK public health spending is the equivalent of about 7%…
7% is not generous in an international comparison. It's on a par with Lithuania or Costa Rica. Denmark spends 10% on health care, Germany 11.7%, Italy 8.7%.
https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/e26f669c-en/index.html?i...
The NHS is also under huge pressure because of all the European health care professionals that left after Brexit (you won't read about that in the Telegraph) and the huge number of sick days caused by COVID.
I also feel they are way too quick to dismiss the idea that health issues are related to COVID. When kids were vaccinated against measles the death rate fell not just for measles, but for all infectious diseases. It's probably because measles damages the immune system. It's not unlikely that COVID had long term health effects that we don't yet fully understand, but which are starting to show up in the statistics.
Re: Silent crisis of soaring excess deaths in Britain is only tip of the iceberg
#326Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'll bite. What is the mechanism by which the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID vaccine could harm peoples health months or years down the line?
There is a theory that the mRNA sequences could have been reverse transcribed into the DNA of various organs, including liver cells. https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73/htm is a in vitro (but not in vivo) demonstration of one element of this theory.
To add to this, there has been evidence that the spike proteins created by the mRNA sequences stay around in the body longer than expected. CDC has now implicitly admitted this.
CDC snapshot July 22: https://web.archive.org/web/20220722141942/https://www.cdc.g...
CDC snapshot July 23: https://web.archive.org/web/20220723161304/https://www.cdc.g...
Notice the change to the "Facts About mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines" section.
Re: Silent crisis of soaring excess deaths in Britain is only tip of the iceberg
#327Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do you think they haven't considered the possibility?
Because if the possibility turned out to be true, it would be extremely damaging at a social and political level. Not just on institutions, but on the psyche of people in general. I think everyone understands this at least on a subconscious level. There must not be any truth to it, because if there was, it would do too much damage. So why would I want people to discuss something that could potentially have that kind…
What concrete evidence do you have that any covering-up is actually happening? Unsubstantiated cui bono? reasoning is nothing but conspiracy theory.
Re: Silent crisis of soaring excess deaths in Britain is only tip of the iceberg
#328Are there still major pandemic restrictions in Britain? Lots of quotes in this piece seem to imply there’s ongoing issues here but everything I see in Europe or the US from abroad seems to heavily imply that people are “back to normal” (at least in terms of movement). The idea here (treatment delays lead to excess deaths) seems ok, but is it really the restrictions? Isn’t it more that hospitals are still extremely fu…
> Are there still major pandemic restrictions in Britain? No. My impression is that in the UK (just as in other countries to a degree) the healthcare system hasn't really gotten out of the overload-state ever since the COVID waves. So while delays due to lockdowns certainly happened, it's also an ongoing crisis independent from that. (and if I'm being cynical, advocating for fixing those issues doesn't fit various pu…
The medical industry still hasn't got out of the covid mindset.
Doctors are still working from home. Hospitals are still refusing visitors and requiring a week of self isolation before a patient comes in. Staff are still isolating for two weeks if they test positive. They still haven't put back full seating in waiting rooms and refuse to let you in the hospital if you're 10 minutes early for your appointment.
Frankly, dealing with the medical establishment right now is a pain - and I suspect people are avoiding it.
I know people will say covid is still around, which is true, but we are ~all vaccinated. This is as good as it's going to get.
Either it's time for hospitals to return to normal and stop using covid as an excuse, or we have to admit as a society that our risk tolerance for infectious disease has dropped considerably, stop treating this as temporary and reorganise things to be efficient again.
Re: Silent crisis of soaring excess deaths in Britain is only tip of the iceberg
#329The two main causes of excess excess death that Britian is seeing seeing are vascular issues and diabetes.
Guess what two of the main long term effects we have seen with Covid are?
Re: Silent crisis of soaring excess deaths in Britain is only tip of the iceberg
#330> If the current trajectory continues, the number of non-Covid excess deaths will soon outstrip deaths from the virus this year – and be even more deadly than the omicron wave. I have friends in the UK and the USA who all during the pandemic were asking, what about the unintended consequences? Where are the models for the impact of these decisions? What are the numbers of collateral damage? There were no answers. Any…
What unintended consequences are we talking about here? The problems in the article don't stem from lockdowns, they stem from delays caused by capacity problems in the healthcare system. So, if anything, the article describes the unintended consequences of those who deliberately kept fighting all measures to curb the spread of COVID.
I can't speak for the nation as a whole, but during the third lockdown, my mental health went through the floor. I stopped exercising, became agoraphobic and developed panic disorder.
It's about a year later now and after a ton of therapy and medication, I'm just about able to go outside again. I still can't really travel far but I managed to drive 2 miles yesterday and am really happy about that - though I did vomit afterwards. Unsurprisingly, my physical health is a lot worse now. I feel like I've aged a decade.