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Re: Getting Steve Jobs Wrong

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"Iteration — steady incremental improvements, prototype after prototype, design after design, year after year, release after release — that process is ingrained in Apple’s (and I think Pixar’s) culture."

This process is ingrained in every software company. There's nothing special or new about Apple (or Jobs) here.

Re: Getting Steve Jobs Wrong

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This article was a bit annoying to read, as it was full of a lot of the deification of Jobs that's been around since his death. "What it was that Jobs actually did is much of the mystery of his life and his work, and Isaacson, frustratingly, had seemingly little interest in that, or any recognition that there even was any sort of mystery as to just what Jobs’s gifts really were." Why this insistence on mystery? Why t…

You're missing the point of the article. Gruber isn't saying Jobs had some kind of secret, indecipherable superpower. He's complaining that the book doesn't explain what it is Steve Jobs actually did at Apple since Jobs wasn't an engineer or a designer.

John Siracusa at Arstechnica also harshly criticized the biography on the most recent episode of the Hypercritical podcast. Much of the book's historical information is lifted from previously published books, and there are factual errors. Important questions are glossed over or outright unanswered.

Re: Getting Steve Jobs Wrong

#53
tl;dr versions - Gruber thinks the title 'Tweaker' has less social value than 'Inventor' so he takes offense at Gladwell's argument which identifies Steve Jobs a 'tweaker'.

Unlike Gruber's commentary, Gladwell's argument is both rational and self consistent. From the tone of this piece by Gruber it is clear he is strugging with the dissonance between the clarity of Gladwell's argument and a perception that the term 'tweaker' is somehow pejorative and thus demeaning of someone he idolizes.

Re: Getting Steve Jobs Wrong

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Jobs was no Edison or Einstein. Hopper, Ritchie, Turing, and even Gates contributed more to our collective future...

He is not any of those people, his closest historical analog is Henry Ford. They were brilliant businessmen who had a critical insight early in their careers (people want usable electronics vs production line economics).

They were able to find success across multiple products through superior business skills and by sticking to their insight.

Finally, they each lived in a time where a new technology was coming to the masses, and they the business leaders bringing this to them. Due to their methods, the masses really appreciated them for what they did.

Re: Getting Steve Jobs Wrong

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post #51

"Iteration — steady incremental improvements, prototype after prototype, design after design, year after year, release after release — that process is ingrained in Apple’s (and I think Pixar’s) culture." This process is ingrained in every software company. There's nothing special or new about Apple (or Jobs) here.

Since every software company has this process, why does Apple stand out?

That's the question I think Gruber wants answered, and where this huge Bio of Jobs, probably our best opportunity to find out, has fallen short.

I would take a guess that if someone were to really publish the "secret sauce" you might find it less like a recipe - i.e., "do this and you will win" - and more like a history of a company that found smart, productive people, made them focus, and then got the fk out of the way.

I'm not sure a Biography would illuminate this. But I think Gruber's right in that Jobs probably wasn't a "tweaker" in the sense of someone actually making a tech decision. He probably tweaked people.

Re: Getting Steve Jobs Wrong

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO You can't compare 'contribution to society' like that, as if you could make a 1-dimensional scale that rates people like the ones you mentioned. It's useless. In some ways Jobs contributions to society have definitely been bigger than Turing or Edison, in some other ways, they haven't. You can't average these things objectively.

Edison you could make case for. Turing, not by a long shot. In 200 years we'll still be talking about Turing machines and decidability. I don't think you can say the same for any of Edisons or Job's ventures.

In 200 years you think we'll have moved past the light bulb? Or AC electricity?

Re: Getting Steve Jobs Wrong

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It may seem more amazing to you, but I would argue that is only because you are not likely in a position to be amazed by the magnitude of the importance people like Edison and Turing had on this world. This is forgivable, but please note that he was talking about contribution to society, not "wow factor" .

IMHO a computer that is usable within the hour by a one year old goes far beyond "wow factor" and well into contribution realm.

By 'usable', do you mean that your one year old child can browse the app store, find something they like, install it, and use it?

At a new location, can they identify the correct wireless network to use, and enter the password?

Or do they just use an easy subset of what the ipad offers? We don't go "Wow! the toy piano is easy enough for a toddler to use!" and gush over it, because we know the toddler isn't using the piano like some virtuoso.

Re: Getting Steve Jobs Wrong

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post #51

"Iteration — steady incremental improvements, prototype after prototype, design after design, year after year, release after release — that process is ingrained in Apple’s (and I think Pixar’s) culture." This process is ingrained in every software company. There's nothing special or new about Apple (or Jobs) here.

Apple is known for making 10 prototypes of an idea then culling it to 3, then 1.

Microsoft & others tend to start with one version and constantly evolve that. The difference is you can get stuck at local maxima / evolutionary dead ends.

Re: Getting Steve Jobs Wrong

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if something doesn't help every single person in the world, rich or poor, it's not a contribution? Wow, you have some high standards.

If we're comparing it to things as ubiquitous as computer technology itself and electric lighting, then I don't think it is unreasonable to point out that the relatively exclusive nature of the ipad puts it at a disadvantage in such a contest.

Thomas Edison did not invent electric lighting.

Re: Getting Steve Jobs Wrong

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tl;dr versions - Gruber thinks the title 'Tweaker' has less social value than 'Inventor' so he takes offense at Gladwell's argument which identifies Steve Jobs a 'tweaker'. Unlike Gruber's commentary, Gladwell's argument is both rational and self consistent. From the tone of this piece by Gruber it is clear he is strugging with the dissonance between the clarity of Gladwell's argument and a perception that the term '…

>tl;dr versions - Gruber thinks the title 'Tweaker' has less social value than 'Inventor' so he takes offense at Gladwell's argument which identifies Steve Jobs a 'tweaker'.

The second sentence: Jobs was neither. These men make for a poor comparison to Jobs because Jobs didn’t really “invent” anything

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