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If you own a large amount of a currency, you want to ensure that the currency in question is trusted, or otherwise that currency would end up losing its value. It is your greed that is guiding you, not your benevolence.

Google short selling.

If you hold eth, you are long eth.

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Care to objectively articulate the arguments against switching to proof-of-stake? Why is it controversial?

PoS is less proven than PoW and has some edges cases that give many concerns. To say this up front, I own ETH, have worked on dapps on it, and completely supprt the move to PoS. That said, the fact that PoW has been running the longest and Bitcoin uses it to secure the most value of any chain and it has had 100% uptime for the last 9.5 years, means people naturally trust it more. PoS also in theory incentivizes centr…

> so miners can filter out transactions they legally aren't allow to process and all that happens is those transactions get validated in a future block by other miners.

You could fairly easily argue that building on a chain that includes sanctioned transactions is also "processing" them. Therefore miners would need to fork the chain to remain in the clear legally or just stop mining altogether.

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Ethereum in its current state is using proof-of-work (PoW) to ensure consensus amongst the thousands of nodes in the network. While PoW is reliable and secure, it is also extremely energy intensive. To produce each block on the network participants are required to use powerful and energy-hungry GPUs to solve a complex mathematical problem. Alternatively, proof-of-stake (PoS) guarantees the security of the network in…

> required to use powerful and energy-hungry GPUs to solve a complex mathematical problem. No mathematical problem is getting "solved". It is much more akin to playing the lottery: Entirely random numbers are being tried out, by sending them through an energy-intensive algorithm (being energy-intensive is the algorithm's only purpose in proof-of-work), until what comes out is less than another number. That other numb…

What you describe is just one particular (although by far the most common) Proof-of-Work algorithm called HashCash. There are several others, such as Cuckoo Cycle, in which one must find a fixed length cycle in a huge random graph, an obvious mathematical (graph theory) problem [1].

[1] https://cryptorials.io/beyond-hashcash-proof-work-theres-min...

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> 100% uptime for the last 9.5 years While correct, that conveniently omits the downtime in 2010 and 2013. Why be shady? Edit: three nines is considerably different than infinite nines. Around 2018 there was an inflation bug which was kept quiet until it was patched. It's human to have an occasional bug. Setting the bar too high may be a dis-service if/when there is an exploit.

What? How is that shady? It had 99.98% uptime since launched and 100% since 2013. That’s one of the most reliable software projects ever created in history.

It's shady because you're cherry picking the dates. Why not say 99.98% uptime since launch from the start?

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Ethereum in its current state is using proof-of-work (PoW) to ensure consensus amongst the thousands of nodes in the network. While PoW is reliable and secure, it is also extremely energy intensive. To produce each block on the network participants are required to use powerful and energy-hungry GPUs to solve a complex mathematical problem. Alternatively, proof-of-stake (PoS) guarantees the security of the network in…

Going by that description (I'm otherwise a n00b), my guess is that only a fraction of validator slots would be active, which means the network could be easily hijacked by a well-funded party who just wants to see the network burn (e.g. central bank of a superpower).

Another possible weakness could occur if staking is mostly outsourced (i.e. staking as a service) and one provider overwhelmingly dominates the market. That provider would be in a position to hijack the network without having much of a stake in it. Proof of stake doesn't really live up to its name if the validation nodes aren't run by validation slot owners.

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Ethereum in its current state is using proof-of-work (PoW) to ensure consensus amongst the thousands of nodes in the network. While PoW is reliable and secure, it is also extremely energy intensive. To produce each block on the network participants are required to use powerful and energy-hungry GPUs to solve a complex mathematical problem. Alternatively, proof-of-stake (PoS) guarantees the security of the network in…

I wouldn’t call proof of work secure btw. Malicious Reorgs have happened in many chains, including ethereum, whereas I’m not aware of any malicious reorgs in PoS chains.

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Awesome If crypto wasn't contributing causing a crash in the GPU market and contributing even more to climate change, I don't think it would have nearly as much hate as it does. Sure it's largely used for scams and money laundering, but at least it's used for scams and money laundering in a way I can ignore. Right now Bitcoin and Etherium, the leading cryptocoins, are absurdly slow and expensive, on top of causing al…

> at least it's used for scams and money laundering in a way I can ignore. I thought this, and then my mom got scammed. She realized one day later, and the bank was able to recover the portion sent via bank transfer. But they also tricked her into sending money via bitcoin ATMs, and that portion was not recovered.

Use a bank. That the bank uses bank deposits, or crypto, or central reserves, shouldn’t matter to the user. As long as the bank can provide fraud insurance.

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Ethereum in its current state is using proof-of-work (PoW) to ensure consensus amongst the thousands of nodes in the network. While PoW is reliable and secure, it is also extremely energy intensive. To produce each block on the network participants are required to use powerful and energy-hungry GPUs to solve a complex mathematical problem. Alternatively, proof-of-stake (PoS) guarantees the security of the network in…

> Should a malicious actor try to tamper with the underlying protocol by using a large number of validators to revert a finalized block (the equivalent of a "51% attack" in PoW) their funds are slashed

But can't the malicious actor estimate very well whether their attack will succeed beforehand?

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