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Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

random314 wrote: post #653
nirav72 wrote: post #574

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Modi is of lower caste. Most of the BJP leadership is lower caste.

Modi is Vaishya or Brahmin - either upper or middle caste. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modh A lot of Vaishyas have been certifying themselves as Backward caste in order to obtain affirmative action privileges. Including the dominant caste in Gujarat, the Patels - with the Patidar movement. Modis were added to OBC list in 2002. This is a subversion of affirmative action which was meant to help lower castes, not uppe…

Can confirm this. My caste is OBC as well, even though it is among the most politically powerful and is classified as a warrior caste with high percentage of land ownership.

Heck, in my home state, Rajputs, former rulers, have been lobbying to get categorized as OBC because of the reservation benefits.

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Post by adamsmith143 »

therealdrag0 wrote: post #657
adamsmith143 wrote: post #357

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This just introduces another type of bias, the "did you just graduate from a top 30 CS school or are you able to spend 6-12 months teaching yourself DS/Algorithms while working full time" bias. Lots of "Stockholm syndrome" surrounding Leetcode style interviewing practices.

Which bias would you prefer? Immutable characteristics or those that can be build with hard work and intelligence?

So there is no possible way that people with intelligence and high work ethic aren't able to graduate from a top 30 cs school or spend a year outside work hours teaching themselves obscure algorithm trivia to pass an interview? I'm afraid you are a 22 year old recent graduate with little grasp on life outside School or Silicon Valley.

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Post by therealdrag0 »

adamsmith143 wrote: post #662
therealdrag0 wrote: post #657

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Which bias would you prefer? Immutable characteristics or those that can be build with hard work and intelligence?

So there is no possible way that people with intelligence and high work ethic aren't able to graduate from a top 30 cs school or spend a year outside work hours teaching themselves obscure algorithm trivia to pass an interview? I'm afraid you are a 22 year old recent graduate with little grasp on life outside School or Silicon Valley.

I don’t follow tbh. If you need a top 30 school or a year of prep then you’re doing it wrong or are not good enough sorry. But that’s okay there is a sliding scale of employers out there.

If you think I’m a 22 yo or in SV then you need to update your heuristics, cuz you’re incorrect.

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Post by 8ytecoder »

eatbitseveryday wrote: post #591
8ytecoder wrote: post #243

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Name is the biggest marker of all. Last name can give away the case pretty accurately. There are certain parts of India that don't use the traditional family name but even in that case, certain first names are more common among certain groups. (I'm pretty sure I have received mild positive discrimination - more like favorable pre-judgement - based on my name.)

In the USA you can, however, change your legal name for any reason to almost anything whenever you want to. I was a colleague of an eastern Asian immigrant who did exactly this, changed their family name to "King".

Not until you have a US passport and that takes a really long time for Indians.

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spaceman_2020 wrote: post #575
registeredcorn wrote: post #523

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I have not had to work with the caste system before. In your opinion, are there any benefits for low-to-mid caste in such a system?

I have never even stopped to consider the benefits - real or on paper - of a system of explicit discrimination. It is morally repugnant and treating it as anything else is perhaps even more morally repugnant.

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Post by known »

random314 wrote: post #653
nirav72 wrote: post #574

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Modi is of lower caste. Most of the BJP leadership is lower caste.

Modi is Vaishya or Brahmin - either upper or middle caste. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modh A lot of Vaishyas have been certifying themselves as Backward caste in order to obtain affirmative action privileges. Including the dominant caste in Gujarat, the Patels - with the Patidar movement. Modis were added to OBC list in 2002. This is a subversion of affirmative action which was meant to help lower castes, not uppe…

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Post by terminal_d »

ummonk wrote: post #94
FactolSarin wrote: post #41

Out of curiosity, for Indians working in America, how hard is it to hide your caste or pretend to be of another caste altogether? Is this something that comes up in conversation among Indians? Do names tend to correlate to you caste? And if so, do people change them as a way of hiding their family caste?

Names in some regions of India correlate strongly with caste. Physical appearance can also be somewhat suggestive. There are however regions in India that have given up the use of last names are adopted new last names as a counter to casteism. Diet also tends to be somewhat indicative - in regions without high prevalence of vegetarianism, castes with high ritual status tend to be vegetarian. A barrier to casteism in…

> There are however regions in India that have given up the use of last names are adopted new last names as a counter to casteism.

That's not true afaik. It's usually to cover up cousin marriages.

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