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Getting Steve Jobs Wrong

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Re: Getting Steve Jobs Wrong

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I completely disagree. Watch a 1 year old child learn to use an iPad in a day! There is something very new and very revolutionary about that.

It may seem more amazing to you, but I would argue that is only because you are not likely in a position to be amazed by the magnitude of the importance people like Edison and Turing had on this world. This is forgivable, but please note that he was talking about contribution to society, not "wow factor" .

IMO You can't compare 'contribution to society' like that, as if you could make a 1-dimensional scale that rates people like the ones you mentioned. It's useless. In some ways Jobs contributions to society have definitely been bigger than Turing or Edison, in some other ways, they haven't. You can't average these things objectively.

Re: Getting Steve Jobs Wrong

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I'm currently reading the Steve Jobs biography but I have not finished it, so this comment is based on incomplete knowledge and you should take what I say with a grain of salt.

I will agree that the biography is far from perfect, and of course we can all find a bunch of things that we would have liked to see improved, especially knowing technology as intimately as most of us. But looking at the backlash against this biography I can't help but also feel that some of the criticism is a case of sour grapes, or maybe dashed expectations.

Leading into the release of the biography there were considerable excitement that finally someone would be able to tell the authorized story of Steve Jobs. This person had been granted unprecedented access to the man and people close to him, and had been working over a period of several years to put the book together. Finally, after the "smears" that were books like iCon, unauthorized and frankly pretty critical of Mr. Jobs we would finally get some real insight into his greatness.

And of course, a few weeks before the book is released the person is about passes away tragically at far too young of an age. I mean it sincerely when I say it was a pretty big loss. But look at everything written about the man in the days and weeks after, and the reaction to people who didn't toe the party line of deification. I mean even articles discussing Jobs' "dark side" then went to say how this was actually a positive and was integral to his success.

So now, finally, we can get our hand on the book we were all waiting for, the one where the biographer who actually got to talk to Jobs and people close to him reveals to us that, yes, he truly is as great as you believe. Actually he's even better, honestly he's the man of the century.

Instead, we get a portrait of a man with some very, very sharp edges, a mean ruthless streak that I think would startle most people on the other end of it, and of course a man who revolutionized several industries and did some pretty remarkable things.

It is definitely not the hagiography that I think some people secretly wanted, and I can't help but feel that this disappointment is behind a lot of the backlash. No biography is ever going to perfectly encompass anyone's life, especially so someone who has accomplished so much. But I also think that it is entirely fair to paint a portrait of the man that acknowledges his numerous flaws, the fantastic luck that accompanied some of his decisions, and the many failures he had. Because without this would his many successes, his vision, and his inspiring drive for perfection seem as impressive?

So in the end, I am actually enjoying the book and I am sure that someone else will come along and work from the notes and publish something even better. But to say that it is an utter mess, or a hack job, or any of the other brutal criticisms I have read is, in my opinion, pretty unfair.

Re: Getting Steve Jobs Wrong

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post #22

I'm currently reading the Steve Jobs biography but I have not finished it, so this comment is based on incomplete knowledge and you should take what I say with a grain of salt. I will agree that the biography is far from perfect, and of course we can all find a bunch of things that we would have liked to see improved, especially knowing technology as intimately as most of us. But looking at the backlash against this…

The problem is that a work about Jobs's private life is not terribly compelling and the author of the work did not understand any of the important parts of Jobs's life enough to provide insight into them. Some of us were not looking for a long-form People Magazine article nor a hagiography.

Re: Getting Steve Jobs Wrong

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post #8

Theories on Jobs' character aside, the Jobs biography is an utter mess. Some sentences feel like they were pulled from a 6th grade book report. It's riddled with obvious statements and reads like it should have been published in People magazine. I realize I'm probably being too harsh, but I wish that I felt like Isaacson had invested into this biography, this once-in-a-lifetime-opportunity, the way Jobs likely invest…

It might come across as simplistic because it wasn't really written for people like you and me - it was written for non-technical consumers of apple products and the general public.

Re: Getting Steve Jobs Wrong

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Based on the biography I would say Steve's magic sauce was the ability and willingness to build a winning team and get everything out of it. He was a "generalist" who knew enough about various things (design, marketing, electronics, software, etc) to be able to judge people and to challenge the experts opinions.

Re: Getting Steve Jobs Wrong

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post #4

Another great take on the extent to which Walter Isaacson biography misses the mark is John Siracusa's criticisms on the "Hypercritical" podcast. Skip to about 17 minutes and 45 seconds in, which is when they start discussing it. It looks to be part 1 of an epic two-fer. http://5by5.tv/hypercritical/42

I think Siracusa's critique goes off the rails when he's complaining about things like the book missing the details in the PA Semi acquisition -- yes, that would have been interesting and ironic, I would have enjoyed reading it, but I bet my wife wouldn't. That's more appropriate for a book about Apple in general, not a personal bio of Jobs. But I agree completely with Siracusa about the book's general laziness. Many…

I noticed that too, but I stuck with him and didn't consider it "going off the rails" so much as just being the typical Siracusa obsessively-detailed critique. Have you ever read one of his reviews of new MacOS X releases? They're agonizingly nitpicky, and the presence of any particular criticism doesn't really imply that this particular detail has as much weight as any other criticism he has. He was clearly reading off of long, detailed notes that he had organized into sections. Still, he does also obsess about how he writes and edits his work, and had he written a review of the biography rather than stepping up to a microphone for a podcast, the thing about PA Semi may not have made the cut. Who knows.

Re: Getting Steve Jobs Wrong

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Tweaker. Inventor. Visionary.

Could we get a few more subjective terms in the mix?

This is all about interpretation, and a highly subjective one at that.

Jobs is cemented as an industry icon. He is different things to different people. Why his stalwart supporters (and lapdogs like Gruber) continue to be annoyed when anyone's interpretation doesn't match their own is childish.

Re: Getting Steve Jobs Wrong

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post #8

Theories on Jobs' character aside, the Jobs biography is an utter mess. Some sentences feel like they were pulled from a 6th grade book report. It's riddled with obvious statements and reads like it should have been published in People magazine. I realize I'm probably being too harsh, but I wish that I felt like Isaacson had invested into this biography, this once-in-a-lifetime-opportunity, the way Jobs likely invest…

I don't think Isaacson could yell at Jobs to come back with four different answers to a question so Isaacson could choose the one he liked, and keep requesting new answers until he was satisfied.

I think it's a little funny that people who don't personally know Steve Jobs have so many strong opinions on what he exactly was, and don't seem to want to give much credit to Isaacson for writing down what Jobs "chose" to share. I started reading Mark Twain's autobiography, and his assertion is that basically any autobiography is incomplete, as a person will end up backing out of telling the unflattering truth. So, while I may not be a huge fan of Jobs, the fact he let Isaacson paint a picture that wasn't total flattery is probably one of more impressive things about Jobs, in my eyes.

Re: Getting Steve Jobs Wrong

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post #11
post #9

Jobs was no Edison or Einstein. Hopper, Ritchie, Turing, and even Gates contributed more to our collective future...

I completely disagree. Watch a 1 year old child learn to use an iPad in a day! There is something very new and very revolutionary about that.

The parent comment was about the man himself. In the case of the iPad he may have the guided the process but the real work wasn't by done by him. It was done by the very skilled people he hired.

Re: Getting Steve Jobs Wrong

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It may seem more amazing to you, but I would argue that is only because you are not likely in a position to be amazed by the magnitude of the importance people like Edison and Turing had on this world. This is forgivable, but please note that he was talking about contribution to society, not "wow factor" .

IMO You can't compare 'contribution to society' like that, as if you could make a 1-dimensional scale that rates people like the ones you mentioned. It's useless. In some ways Jobs contributions to society have definitely been bigger than Turing or Edison, in some other ways, they haven't. You can't average these things objectively.

Edison you could make case for.

Turing, not by a long shot. In 200 years we'll still be talking about Turing machines and decidability. I don't think you can say the same for any of Edisons or Job's ventures.

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