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I'm 30. The Sexual Revolution Shackled My Generation

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Re: I'm 30. The Sexual Revolution Shackled My Generation

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"All girls and women [...] should avoid being alone with men they don’t know" I guess the default setting for my gender is 'predator'..

Yes we are, potentially, until we decide we are not. The brute force way we now know is suboptimal and rightly failing, and no matter what you think about OP, the femcel trend she's writing about is happening.

In response to that, a new generation of chivalrous Gentlemen will rise. Cheers to that!

Re: I'm 30. The Sexual Revolution Shackled My Generation

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"All girls and women [...] should avoid being alone with men they don’t know" I guess the default setting for my gender is 'predator'..

The author views are heavily tainted by her career: “I spent my entire professional life working on the issue of male violence against women—first in a rape crisis center, and later as a journalist and a media relations director for a legal campaign against sexual violence.” It’s easy to assume all men are predators when that’s the reality you face every day.

Then it's a bit weird that she dismisses "consent workshops". What's wrong with those? They explore patterns and scripts of social interaction that successfully remove the fiction of plausible deniability from outright predatory behavior, and enable others to recognize it and call it out easily. This is not something that should have obnoxious political connotations, it's just a straightforward improvement.

Re: I'm 30. The Sexual Revolution Shackled My Generation

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The issues in this article are no excuse to back peddle or react with fear, if anything I see them as reasons to continue forward, keep the good, address the bad and keep moving. This read like one long rant from my mother in law that starts with "I'm not racists, but Mexicans..." Except it's June Cleaver saying "I'm a feminist, but she was asking for it in that dress"

Victim or not, moving into a secure stance is good. Avoiding personal security for your daughter simply because you may sound like a victim-blamer to your son-in-law, isn't good policy.

Re: I'm 30. The Sexual Revolution Shackled My Generation

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post #5

This seems like such an inherently christian viewpoint. It starts by stating as an axiom that the following are inherently bad: >porn >hook-up culture >fewer marriages >fewer babies These seem neutral to positive to me as someone not mired in christian morality.

Some of those seem positive to some christians. Some lutherans are advocating for porn as long as it's ethically sourced. Christian morality is a very broad tent to generalize about.

Though I am not one of those people. Porn is obviously missing the mark, literally, morally and ethically. It's disturbing what % of the population makes it's living off prostitution, digital or not.

Re: I'm 30. The Sexual Revolution Shackled My Generation

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Blame the apps. None of this would be possible if it weren't for tinder and friends making hook up culture a thing. I would bet dollars to donuts that the folks thriving in this environment would not have the confidence to do the same thing in person.

Blaming the apps is an easy scapegoat. In the end "the apps" are just another vector for meeting someone. I know a few guys that area always going out on dates but have never touched one of the apps, likewise in my case, I almost exclusively get dates from the apps.

What people need to understand about "the apps" is that there are some major differences (at least at the start) between meeting someone off a dating app, and meeting someone in person. You have to set different expectations for when you meet someone off a dating app versus when you meet someone at a bar for example. Most of the complaints I hear about the apps is folks that don't realize the difference, and that you have to adjust your strategy.

Re: I'm 30. The Sexual Revolution Shackled My Generation

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post #21

"All girls and women [...] should avoid being alone with men they don’t know" I guess the default setting for my gender is 'predator'..

Yes we are, potentially, until we decide we are not. The brute force way we now know is suboptimal and rightly failing, and no matter what you think about OP, the femcel trend she's writing about is happening. In response to that, a new generation of chivalrous Gentlemen will rise. Cheers to that!

I'm not sure if you're aware of this and trying to make a point, but quite a few self-described "chivalrous Gentlemen" have in fact been predators. The whole notion of polite, chivalrous, "Gentlemen's" behavior as inherently desirable is, shall we say, a bit discredited.

Re: I'm 30. The Sexual Revolution Shackled My Generation

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post #5

This seems like such an inherently christian viewpoint. It starts by stating as an axiom that the following are inherently bad: >porn >hook-up culture >fewer marriages >fewer babies These seem neutral to positive to me as someone not mired in christian morality.

The last one is a serious problem in most Western countries. As the society gets older, there are fewer people who can work and actually sustain the rest of the population.

Not a problem at all.

There are two fantastic solutions to a low birth rate:

Immigration, and robots.

Re: I'm 30. The Sexual Revolution Shackled My Generation

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How can you know without trying? Seriously? Humans are a blip in the evolutionary timeline and you not reproducing is not gonna affect humans in any way. I'm a guy who is 30 as well, and I'm brown, I know I don't have a chance in the dating apps in the west, but I don't want to complain, there's other avenues to dating, if that's what you want.

You are better off not being a relationship which hurts you, more than being in one just for the sake of it.

To blame dating apps, hookup culture, divorce rate etc is extremely easy. And I understand the personal frustration and as someone who has never been in a relationship, never had sex, I don't think I'm missing out on anything, yes, I do yearn those things, but honestly, you really can't force things to happen, and life is not a movie, nothing is guaranteed.

Re: I'm 30. The Sexual Revolution Shackled My Generation

#29
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes we are, potentially, until we decide we are not. The brute force way we now know is suboptimal and rightly failing, and no matter what you think about OP, the femcel trend she's writing about is happening. In response to that, a new generation of chivalrous Gentlemen will rise. Cheers to that!

I'm not sure if you're aware of this and trying to make a point, but quite a few self-described "chivalrous Gentlemen" have in fact been predators. The whole notion of polite, chivalrous, "Gentlemen's" behavior as inherently desirable is, shall we say, a bit discredited.

Codes of chivalry and "gentlemanly behavior" came about in the context of strictly class-oriented patriarchy. Those codes existed not to protect women but to reinforce male status within that hierarchy, with women being the currency of social transaction. And like the Bushido of the Samurai, most of the culture around it was a romanticized retcon of a brutal reality.

There's no historical evidence of a knight ever having rescued a damsel in distress, for instance. It was far more likely for a knight to kidnap women, rape them to "consummate marriage" and take legal possession of their property. And that was just a privilege afforded to noble women who had anything worth stealing.

Re: I'm 30. The Sexual Revolution Shackled My Generation

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post #5

This seems like such an inherently christian viewpoint. It starts by stating as an axiom that the following are inherently bad: >porn >hook-up culture >fewer marriages >fewer babies These seem neutral to positive to me as someone not mired in christian morality.

The last one is a serious problem in most Western countries. As the society gets older, there are fewer people who can work and actually sustain the rest of the population.

The developed nations may solve this problem by decoupling children from families a la Huxley’s Brave New World. Perhaps not via bottled babies, but through completely professional caregivers who will raise the children for everybody, leaving the biological parents to devote themselves completely to the production consumption system, as well as complete indulgence in satisfying desires without consequence.
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