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Midlife: A Philosophical Guide

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Re: Midlife: A Philosophical Guide

#171
So many threads discussing with an engineering mind if 40 is half your life, a third, blah blah blah.

Truth is you don’t have tomorrow for granted. We could die today, tomorrow or in 90 years. Planning ahead so strictly is like wrapping a blanket around your head for safety in a firefight.

Don’t overplan, don’t quantify everything in life, relax, enjoy, smile and roll with the punches as much as you can. We only get one life.

Re: Midlife: A Philosophical Guide

#172

Acceptance. My survival strategy for mid-life has been to replace the ambition and balls that got me through my 20's and 30's with age appropriate acceptance of the MANY things I cannot control & don't have time to do, with a wisdom to focus on the FEW things that are likely to matter to me when I hit my 70's and beyond. For example, I can't control the divorce that consumed a ton of time and money in my 40's, but I…

Something interesting seems to be happening in society. We set aside religion, a trend that accelerated exponentially starting in the 60s, but had no real ideological or philosophical foundation with which to replace it, so it simply created a vacuum for meaning. In my opinion that vacuum was largely filled by consumerism and hedonism. But of course those alternatives aren't really alternatives, because they give som…

I would like to challenge the notion of the drop of religion being a recent phenomenon. In fact I would counter its been going on at least several centuries. After all, Nietzsche was saying God is dead in the 19th century.

Even before this, the renaissance was a period filled with a turning away from religion and of reintegration of older classical stories and ideas. Descartes and Newton, though religious, introduced a fully mechanical model of the universe which has been growing in strength ever since.

Even in the meditations Marcus Aurelius carefully considers the idea of the universe consisting of nothing but atoms and their motions

Re: Midlife: A Philosophical Guide

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Something interesting seems to be happening in society. We set aside religion, a trend that accelerated exponentially starting in the 60s, but had no real ideological or philosophical foundation with which to replace it, so it simply created a vacuum for meaning. In my opinion that vacuum was largely filled by consumerism and hedonism. But of course those alternatives aren't really alternatives, because they give som…

I would like to challenge the notion of the drop of religion being a recent phenomenon. In fact I would counter its been going on at least several centuries. After all, Nietzsche was saying God is dead in the 19th century. Even before this, the renaissance was a period filled with a turning away from religion and of reintegration of older classical stories and ideas. Descartes and Newton, though religious, introduced…

I find this a lazy, western-centric, summary of religion's decline. Nietzsche does not a consensus represent, however deep and insightful his statement. It is this kind of casual dismissal of faith that provides one of the fuels to the populist "God and country" crowd exploited by Trump and his ilk.

Re: Midlife: A Philosophical Guide

#174
For me, maybe for alot of people, COVID provided the impulse that revealed my own midlife crisis. It was all that time away from work and with family that forced me to begin coming to terms with how shallow my identity outside of work had become. I can never go back to my pre-pandemic self, and that's probably for the best. Even though my current role is great in compensation and substance, I still feel this malaise lurking. Acceptance is important, necessary, but, for me, not sufficient. I'm not sure what my atelics are. I'm not in crisis by any means, nor at risk of buying a Tesla or having an affair, or whatever else, but the struggle is real. Midlife blahs

Re: Midlife: A Philosophical Guide

#175

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I would like to challenge the notion of the drop of religion being a recent phenomenon. In fact I would counter its been going on at least several centuries. After all, Nietzsche was saying God is dead in the 19th century. Even before this, the renaissance was a period filled with a turning away from religion and of reintegration of older classical stories and ideas. Descartes and Newton, though religious, introduced…

I find this a lazy, western-centric, summary of religion's decline. Nietzsche does not a consensus represent, however deep and insightful his statement. It is this kind of casual dismissal of faith that provides one of the fuels to the populist "God and country" crowd exploited by Trump and his ilk.

I'm not sure why you took this as an attack on religion. I was merely trying to provide counterexamples to the claim that the decline of religion's influence in western culture is not something that started out of nowhere in the 1960s.

Re: Midlife: A Philosophical Guide

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It's even worse when you take into consideration quality of life. For many people their last decade may come with severe medical issues. That's why you need to let go of this idea of some awesome 2 decades of retirement where you finally get to enjoy and do all the things you want. You'll be broken, half your friends are dead or dying, the kids won't visit, and you have no energy. I'm being intentionally brutal to ma…

Or even worse, you could die in a car accident tomorrow. So much for a midlife crisis, let alone happy retirement. Obviously, throwing the future to the wind and only caring about the present is stupid, but like you say there is absolutely an argument to be made that we should make the most of the time we have right now because tomorrow isn't guaranteed.

Retirement is a new thing, however. In fact, this is the first generation to retire with money being paid for by the current working generation. If you are using that same system for your retirement, you are basically betting on the new-born of today to pay for your retirement.

35 years from now.

Think about how much the world, technology, politics and ideology have changed since 1987. If you think the born-now will honor your retirement claim (that you/gov are making since new-born can't agree?) then, yeah, go for that retirement thing.

Re: Midlife: A Philosophical Guide

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I've had this feeling in life that after middle age, it is most satisfying to adopt the mindset of a teacher. No more am I an explorer or barrier breaker. I am now a foundation, a home, a tome of knowledge and wisdom that should be used to help the next generation get a leg up.

Easy to do when you have stability and dignity. For myself, my first career was wrecked by new technology. Now I am 40 years old in an entry-level SWE position alongside 22 year olds working under people in their late 20s or early 30s. Not only would none of these people accept me as a source of knowledge but they can hardly bare to give me the time of day. I am very proud of my contributions to the team and I don’t…

What’s wrong with entry level SWE at 40? Working for and with younger people is no shame.

Someone dear to me could have started SWE at 38 but felt as you do and quit. More than 12 years later they would be a veteran at the job but instead today still are looking in from the outside saying 50 is too late, regretting their decision and making excuses just like they said at 38. Wrong then, wrong now.

12 years from now you will probably kick yourself for worrying about what worries you today. I am proud of you for making a change; stick with it! Few industries consider you senior after 3-5 years.

Re: Midlife: A Philosophical Guide

#178

Acceptance. My survival strategy for mid-life has been to replace the ambition and balls that got me through my 20's and 30's with age appropriate acceptance of the MANY things I cannot control & don't have time to do, with a wisdom to focus on the FEW things that are likely to matter to me when I hit my 70's and beyond. For example, I can't control the divorce that consumed a ton of time and money in my 40's, but I…

Something interesting seems to be happening in society. We set aside religion, a trend that accelerated exponentially starting in the 60s, but had no real ideological or philosophical foundation with which to replace it, so it simply created a vacuum for meaning. In my opinion that vacuum was largely filled by consumerism and hedonism. But of course those alternatives aren't really alternatives, because they give som…

I'd ask "Why do you need meaning?". Why not just accept that life is meaningless, and any meaning you bring to it is ultimately of your own construction. Seems a lot simpler than continually searching for meaning or purpose, doomed never to find it because it simply does not exist. All evidence seems to indicate that we're complex meat robots, whose existence is basically inevitable given the right initial conditions. What meaning?

Re: Midlife: A Philosophical Guide

#179
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I wonder if the "midlife" part of midlife crisis does some harm. Other then me not being in my midlife (well i hope lol, don't think i want to die at 60) a lot of those issue resonate. Shrinking of possibilities, empty feeling as i pursue things. Ive felt this way on and off since my 20s and have talked with friends about similar feelings.

Yeah, this hits home. I'm only 28 but can feel my life becoming more and more predictable and stagnate. At the same time, I'm too afraid and money-conscious to make any bold changes (e.g., quit my job, start a business, go back to school, live in a van for a year, do something weird with my life). This is an incredible source of anxiety and depression. I've started therapy and have made some progress. If I can become…

Just realize that you can be fired at moment from your job and have trouble (if economy) to find a new one. You'll realize how fragile your current situation is, and going through a rough experience will be worth it (to figure out how to make your future more anti-fragile).

Of course most people go through it the hard way (firing, divorce, etc...) But I don't suggest you do it now, but if you are not saving any significant money from your current job you might as well just leave.

Re: Midlife: A Philosophical Guide

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post #132

A great way to spontaneously trigger a midlife crisis, no matter your age, is to watch Youtube videos about the universe, the origin of life, etc. You'll get this inspirational rush of how amazing everything is, how vast the universe, how incredibly unusual for life to exist and for us specifically as a species to exist. And the advanced state we're in, able to do almost anything. And then you realize that you're usi…

Part of being human is embracing both of these realities though. We can get satisfaction from spending 4 hours perfecting some small nuance in code to make it run smoothly and we can feel awe pondering the vastness of the universe.
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