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For 110 years, climate change has been in the news

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Re: For 110 years, climate change has been in the news

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What is not being posted in news often enough are the options that we have to mitigate the effects. the only thing i read is that we need yo drive down co2. fact is: we are not gonna reach the targets in a reasonable timeframe. hence, we must start preparing to mitigate effects. instead we are caught by climate catastrophies like the current draught in europe, us and china and we are running around like headless chic…

Humanity hasn't been good at multigenerational projects for some time.

Re: For 110 years, climate change has been in the news

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It’s striking to me that Hacker News has a significant audience of flat earthers. Don’t look up, right? Let’s be clear, human caused climate change is very real. Rigorous science confirms this and CO2 + methane levels are now driving very visible and catastrophic weather all over the world.

“The long run is a misleading guide to current affairs. In the long run we are all dead.”

Re: For 110 years, climate change has been in the news

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Considering the period of concern over global cooling (from last century), claims of "we've known this, but have pretended not to for a hundred years" are just historical revisionism. When you lie about facts in favor of pushing a "more important truth" you don't convince people. You just give people more reason to doubt other things you're claiming.

Combined with the apocalyptic histrionics of "we've only got ten more years before it's too late forever, we have to do something now!" And that something being banning lawn mowers...

Huh what? It is never too late to do something and try to improve, sure, but it actually is practically already now too late to not crash the 2° goal.

I'd really be more empathetic to the ones who will need to inhabit this future and not turn this into ridicule, even if you won't be there then..

Re: For 110 years, climate change has been in the news

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Considering the period of concern over global cooling (from last century), claims of "we've known this, but have pretended not to for a hundred years" are just historical revisionism. When you lie about facts in favor of pushing a "more important truth" you don't convince people. You just give people more reason to doubt other things you're claiming.

The fact is that oil companies have been knowingly sabotaging the discourse and scientific process about this in a similar way that the tobacco companies kept 'having the debate' for as long as possible to not change their business model, externalities be damned.

To downplay this is the real historical revisionism and lie

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Yes, long-term climate cycles also exists but the important difference we’re confronted by with man-made climate versus the longer trends you refer to is that this is happening on a vastly quicker timescale, meaning that ecosystems (and our own societies) are unable to adapt. For instance on geologic timescales plants and creatures evolve, forests move, mountains sink and new reefs can grow, but when similar changes happen in the order of decades this is not just going to happen and everything relying on those ecosystems is going to have a real problem.

Re: For 110 years, climate change has been in the news

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It’s striking to me that Hacker News has a significant audience of flat earthers. Don’t look up, right? Let’s be clear, human caused climate change is very real. Rigorous science confirms this and CO2 + methane levels are now driving very visible and catastrophic weather all over the world.

Don't Look Up is a film with a story that makes absolutely no sense and constantly contradicts itself, so it might not be the best slogan to use:

https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/movie-review-dont-look...

Re: For 110 years, climate change has been in the news

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It’s striking to me that Hacker News has a significant audience of flat earthers. Don’t look up, right? Let’s be clear, human caused climate change is very real. Rigorous science confirms this and CO2 + methane levels are now driving very visible and catastrophic weather all over the world.

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Re: For 110 years, climate change has been in the news

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It’s striking to me that Hacker News has a significant audience of flat earthers. Don’t look up, right? Let’s be clear, human caused climate change is very real. Rigorous science confirms this and CO2 + methane levels are now driving very visible and catastrophic weather all over the world.

Don't Look Up is a film with a story that makes absolutely no sense and constantly contradicts itself, so it might not be the best slogan to use: https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/movie-review-dont-look...

> Don't Look Up is a film with a story that makes absolutely no sense and constantly contradicts itself

Honestly that sounds like a pretty good model of my life so far.

Re: For 110 years, climate change has been in the news

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While the earth does indeed have its own cycles, the reason we know about them is the same reason we know we don't want to add a few degrees in a century. And not just because a timescale of "the dinosaurs" is enough for "India collides with Asia forming the Himalayas which creates a rain shadow over what is now the Gobi desert".

Claiming it's about fear and control is a very easy way to ignore it — fact is, it's much easier to create fear (for the purpose of control) with human boogiemen: post WW2 British tabloids made hay by going "Communists and Germans! The Irish! Gays! Single mothers! The disabled! Muslims! Millennials! The EU!", while mostly saying that anyone concerned about the environment (even more broadly than CO2) was scaremongering.

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