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Saudi Arabia sentenced a woman to 34 years in prison for tweeting

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Re: Saudi Arabia sentenced a woman to 34 years in prison for tweeting

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Post by spacechild1 »

fein wrote: post #131
ethanbond wrote: post #130

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Hmm, sure. Perhaps Austria and Germany are a bit culturally traumatized by the horrors they inflicted upon the world under an ideology, and they wish (based on historical data) to prevent such an occurrence again? I don’t feel qualified to say whether this is effective , but it’s pretty obvious why this is characteristically different from “ruling class wants to crush all dissent against ruling class.”

> prevent such an occurrence again? By imprisoning geriatrics and a guy who made some songs people didn't like the messaging of? > ruling class wants to crush all dissent against ruling class. I don't see the difference at all. These people are criticizing a sacred cow and the ruling class wants to crush that dissent.

> These people are criticizing a sacred cow and the ruling class wants to crush that dissent.

There is quite a difference between critizing the "Verbotsgesetz" and literally spreading neo-nazi hate speech.

Re: Saudi Arabia sentenced a woman to 34 years in prison for tweeting

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Post by fein »

ethanbond wrote: post #140
fein wrote: post #131

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> prevent such an occurrence again? By imprisoning geriatrics and a guy who made some songs people didn't like the messaging of? > ruling class wants to crush all dissent against ruling class. I don't see the difference at all. These people are criticizing a sacred cow and the ruling class wants to crush that dissent.

If you're thinking so hard that you can't see the difference between someone resurrecting the ideology responsible in real, actual, recent history for 20-30 million deaths, versus someone who is criticizing a brutal dictator, then you are thinking too hard. This doesn't need to break down to some formally correct logical statement. Simply look at the facts of each case, the goals of each party involved, the systems e…

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Re: Saudi Arabia sentenced a woman to 34 years in prison for tweeting

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Post by fein »

spacechild1 wrote: post #141
fein wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> prevent such an occurrence again? By imprisoning geriatrics and a guy who made some songs people didn't like the messaging of? > ruling class wants to crush all dissent against ruling class. I don't see the difference at all. These people are criticizing a sacred cow and the ruling class wants to crush that dissent.

> These people are criticizing a sacred cow and the ruling class wants to crush that dissent. There is quite a difference between critizing the "Verbotsgesetz" and literally spreading neo-nazi hate speech.

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Re: Saudi Arabia sentenced a woman to 34 years in prison for tweeting

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Post by ethanbond »

fein wrote: post #142
ethanbond wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're thinking so hard that you can't see the difference between someone resurrecting the ideology responsible in real, actual, recent history for 20-30 million deaths, versus someone who is criticizing a brutal dictator, then you are thinking too hard. This doesn't need to break down to some formally correct logical statement. Simply look at the facts of each case, the goals of each party involved, the systems e…

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That’s cute. No interest in being “repaired” by someone who can’t see the obvious difference between a democracy and a dictatorship, and the clear fact that even identical actions done by the two are not equally legitimate.

Re: Saudi Arabia sentenced a woman to 34 years in prison for tweeting

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Post by moistly »

moistly wrote: post #139
chitowneats wrote: post #113

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Didn’t think I’d have to spell it out, but you’ve got Rupert Murdoch, Roger Ailes, and endless funding from the Koch brothers who were literally raised by a Nazi nanny, all abusing “free speech” to purposefully—and successfully!—destroy your nation. Free speech absolutism or a functional society: you can pick only one, not both.

I don’t think chitowneats message deserved flagging, nor deletion.

Re: Saudi Arabia sentenced a woman to 34 years in prison for tweeting

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Post by spacechild1 »

ethanbond wrote: post #140
fein wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> prevent such an occurrence again? By imprisoning geriatrics and a guy who made some songs people didn't like the messaging of? > ruling class wants to crush all dissent against ruling class. I don't see the difference at all. These people are criticizing a sacred cow and the ruling class wants to crush that dissent.

If you're thinking so hard that you can't see the difference between someone resurrecting the ideology responsible in real, actual, recent history for 20-30 million deaths, versus someone who is criticizing a brutal dictator, then you are thinking too hard. This doesn't need to break down to some formally correct logical statement. Simply look at the facts of each case, the goals of each party involved, the systems e…

> Edit: Did you delete your very nasty message accusing me and “my ilk” of being “beyond repair?”

The comment has been flagged, so it's hidden unless you enable "show dead".

Re: Saudi Arabia sentenced a woman to 34 years in prison for tweeting

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Post by space_fountain »

raxxorraxor wrote: post #136
space_fountain wrote: post #98

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Yep, and actually I'm ok with that. We don't have to be blind to the fact that Saudi Arabia locked a bunch of people in a hotel until they agreed to give money and control to a dictator. We don't have to forget that they killed a journalist in one of their embassies for the crime of being one of their critics. And it's not like Saudi Arabia, China, or certainly Russia would be very fast to extradite someone to the US…

Ah, so it is just how things work. Strange argument on context of womens liberation in my opinion.

Well the person I was replying to seemed to be implying that we can't be mad at people who hurt the US unless we'd also be mad if they hurt say Russia or Saudi Arabia, but that's just extreme rule brain taking over. We can totally say Saudi is bad and therefore leaking their secrets is ok and, in fact, that's how it's always worked. Rules don't have to be blind to values and probably shouldn't be

Re: Saudi Arabia sentenced a woman to 34 years in prison for tweeting

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Post by fein »

ethanbond wrote: post #144
fein wrote: post #142

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That’s cute. No interest in being “repaired” by someone who can’t see the obvious difference between a democracy and a dictatorship, and the clear fact that even identical actions done by the two are not equally legitimate.

Democracy? So the people of these countries had some say in these laws? They did not. I'm not aware of a democracy on Earth that isn't just a dictatorship with fancy clothes, at least at the federal level.

My man, you're OK with throwing nonviolent offenders in jail for speech. This is not a good look.

Re: Saudi Arabia sentenced a woman to 34 years in prison for tweeting

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Post by FooHentai »

Jon_Lowtek wrote: post #138
FooHentai wrote: post #82

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Sure, although this does feel like it's becoming painfully drawn out. Let's use a simple parallel example: If someone's having a laugh at, say, Trump. Then they use that as an example of how those those silly Canadians are always electing daft politicians. You're probably going to point out that Trump was not in fact the president of Canada. That the example is not relevant . Likewise, it is a mistake to lump the Naz…

In both cases the relevant law was Section 127 of the Communications Act of the United Kingdom.

That is a very fair point and rebuttal, thank you.
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