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You Shouldn't Use Manjaro

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Re: You Shouldn't Use Manjaro

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Post by brink »

shrimp_emoji wrote: post #48
brink wrote: post #16

Fwiw, I've used a combination of Arch, endeavor, and manjaro over the course of ~15 years. I've been aware of the issues that the author listed for some time now, and tbh, I don't really care, I still use and enjoy manjaro for the convenience.

How would you compare Endeavor to Manjaro? I've never tried it.

They're both really solid distros, IMO. I don't think you can go wrong with either. Manjaro is just slightly more beginner friendly with the superior app store, but for some reason still uses pulseaudio over pipewire, but can be easily remedied by installing manjaro-pipewire, and Endeavour is the near-vanilla Arch experience without the hassle of going through the manual install of Arch, which is especially helpful when you dual-boot with Windows. I distro hop between them occasionally because I love them both. If you don't like Manjaro holding back packages, just switch to the "unstable" branch.

https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php/Switching_Branches

Re: You Shouldn't Use Manjaro

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Post by phendrenad2 »

What a vindictive article. The Manjaro team has made some mistakes, such as spamming an API and not renewing their SSL cert - so everyone should boycott them? If you're expecting ultimate professionalism and exemplary behavior from every open-source dev team, I have got news for you...

Re: You Shouldn't Use Manjaro

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Post by monopoliessuck »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #52

What a vindictive article. The Manjaro team has made some mistakes, such as spamming an API and not renewing their SSL cert - so everyone should boycott them? If you're expecting ultimate professionalism and exemplary behavior from every open-source dev team, I have got news for you...

It's not just an "open-source dev team". They're maintaining a distribution. They've decided to manage their own packages in parallel to upstream and provide a user-script install helper they expect you to use.

Convenience-after, sure, but this whole distro is built around convenience-first and sometimes convenience-only. I mean we're also not talking about first offenses here. Ensuring you SSL key is valid is table stakes for an operating system hosting packages, but falling down four times? It's just obviously not a priority which is unsettling for a product that installs and maintains all your software.

If this was a group of devs building a digital egg timer, I'd agree with you, but this is your *operating system* we're talking about.

Re: You Shouldn't Use Manjaro

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Post by fomine3 »

kingrazor wrote: post #49
yw3410 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arch's documentation is incomplete? Arch has to have the most comprehensive documentation of all the distros. Even when I'm troubleshooting other distros I'll check the Arch wiki first!

Purely in regards to the initial install of the OS. I wound up having to go outside the Arch install wiki to other sources to figure out what to do. It seemed written for someone who already had a pretty thorough understanding of setting up partitions and file systems.

It looks valid precondition for target user.

Re: You Shouldn't Use Manjaro

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Post by snapplebobapple »

TakeBlaster16 wrote: post #7

I have a theory that the only reason Manjaro is popular is that for the longest time, Arch did not have an installer. Do not underestimate the power of making things easier for your users.

This is definitely why I used manjaro for the longest time (and then switched to endeavouros rather than straight arch) arches installer was almost as bad as lxc's method for mapping uid/gid

Re: You Shouldn't Use Manjaro

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Post by phendrenad2 »

monopoliessuck wrote: post #53
phendrenad2 wrote: post #52

What a vindictive article. The Manjaro team has made some mistakes, such as spamming an API and not renewing their SSL cert - so everyone should boycott them? If you're expecting ultimate professionalism and exemplary behavior from every open-source dev team, I have got news for you...

It's not just an "open-source dev team". They're maintaining a distribution. They've decided to manage their own packages in parallel to upstream and provide a user-script install helper they expect you to use. Convenience-after, sure, but this whole distro is built around convenience-first and sometimes convenience-only. I mean we're also not talking about first offenses here. Ensuring you SSL key is valid is table…

So how many mistakes can a distro make before we boycott them? The extreme version of that is we all pay for Red Hat Linux and refuse to use anything less "professional". So it's a tradeoff, and I think this article draws the line very unfairly.

Re: You Shouldn't Use Manjaro

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Post by monopoliessuck »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #57
monopoliessuck wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just an "open-source dev team". They're maintaining a distribution. They've decided to manage their own packages in parallel to upstream and provide a user-script install helper they expect you to use. Convenience-after, sure, but this whole distro is built around convenience-first and sometimes convenience-only. I mean we're also not talking about first offenses here. Ensuring you SSL key is valid is table…

So how many mistakes can a distro make before we boycott them? The extreme version of that is we all pay for Red Hat Linux and refuse to use anything less "professional". So it's a tradeoff, and I think this article draws the line very unfairly.

That's up to the individual. I mean if you exclusively buy Jif peanut butter are you "boycotting" Skippy? For me, there are just better options with better track records and less drama -- like it's not even a contest. Taking a second look would require quite a rebound, honestly.

The only real benefit of Manjaro, as I see it, is a somewhat easier install path, but with the nascent archinstall script, that benefit is mostly gone anyway. If we're looking beyond the Arch-sphere, there's of course a healthy smattering of options with more on offer. You don't have to jump to Debian or Red Hat for quality and stewardship. Just because it's FOSS certainly doesn't mean there isn't real competition.

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