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Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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Post by pauldenton »

mrjin wrote: post #471
yabatopia wrote: post #461

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Just ask the Taiwanese, Uyghurs and Tibetan people. To name a few.

Nice list. Just a side question though, do you know where Xinjiang is on the map since you are so concerned about Uyghurs? I thought I knew where Xinjiang was until CNN told me it was in Guangdong province. https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/comments/pjsyyv/cnn_once_chang...

I know where Tibet is. I know that the Chinese Revolution succeeded in 1949, and Tibet was subsequently invaded in October of 1950. China also entered the Korean war in October of 1950 when 200,000 Chinese nationals crossed the Yalu river and repelled American soldiers.

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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Post by dcolkitt »

S201 wrote: post #296
dcolkitt wrote: post #174

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Even if this is the case, do you honestly not think the tradeoff is worth it? Lifting a billion people out of crushing poverty seems worth it even if it came at the cost of giving a dictatorship stronger geopolitical influence.

An authoritarian, nuclear armed government that is bent on expansionism by flaunting the established global rule of law and that is likely to start a world war over Taiwan? No, I don't think that's a worthwhile tradeoff.

China has been nuclear armed since the 1960s. That wasn't a product of the country's industrialization or trade with the West.

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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Post by thankful69 »

thankful69 wrote: post #113
gleenn wrote: post #27

How is no one mentioning that China is threatening Taiwan. If the US ends up in a war with China, suddenly most Apple products would have serious operations problems if not being shut off completely. Cheap labor isn't a bad reason, but this is also a hedge against the heating politics between the West and both Russia and China.

Vietnam is also a communist (which we invaded and got badly defeated btw), dictatorship loving (Cuba, Venezuela, ....) country, whatever you see in China, you also see in Vietnam, media isn't just as vicious with Vietnam. In the other hand, Vietnam have a bright future, they have developed significantly in the last decade, I wish them well.

Truth is not very HN friendly, seems like lol.

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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Post by bovermyer »

aydnina wrote: post #497
bovermyer wrote: post #465

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The answer to that question could fill several books. Among more recent events are the human rights violations, the increasing saber-rattling about Taiwan, the increasing joint military exercises with Russia, and the mass addition of malware/spyware to chips meant for foreign markets. Rather than take my word for it, though, I encourage you to do some research on your own - preferably not entirely through Internet so…

The island of Taiwan is part of the People's Republic of China, and they will decide what to do with it and when. What Americans think, want or say is irrelevant.

The people of Taiwan disagree with your first sentence.

The United States' military presence in the region disagrees with your second sentence.

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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Post by trasz »

petre wrote: post #504
pjmlp wrote: post #475

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"Between 2001 and 2005, CIA officers captured an estimated one hundred fifty people and transported them around the world.[12][13][14][15] Under the Bush administration, rendered persons were reported to have undergone torture by receiving countries. Journalists, civil and constitutional rights groups, and former detainees have alleged that this occurred with the knowledge or cooperation of the administrations of the…

At least it's not institutionalized torture like in Xinjang or the concentration camps used to "re-educate" Falun Gong practitioners.

>At least it's not institutionalized torture like in Xinjang

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/09/prison...

>concentration camps used to "re-educate" Falun Gong practitioners

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/survivors-troubled-teen-industry-s...

Although tbh the American way to "re-educate" religious fundamentalists usually means executing them from a safe distance.

It _appears_ that China is worse, but once you start looking at actual data instead of the rhetoric found in media, you'll quickly find that it simply doesn't check out.

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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Post by trasz »

bovermyer wrote: post #534
aydnina wrote: post #497

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The island of Taiwan is part of the People's Republic of China, and they will decide what to do with it and when. What Americans think, want or say is irrelevant.

The people of Taiwan disagree with your first sentence. The United States' military presence in the region disagrees with your second sentence.

I think the majority of the western world would disagree with the first sentence, I know I would. But at the same time the people of Taiwan generally prefer things to stay as they are right now; independence with everything it involves isn't the number one option there. It's definitely _the_ main option for United States - because, as usual, the war would be waged far away from US territory, so they wouldn't suffer losses.

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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Post by akelly »

simonh wrote: post #430
Poppys wrote: post #415

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Isn't dispersing a core business, that the global economy relies on, to other countries a bad move for Taiwan? If advanced micro chips are made in another country doesn't that mean China might be more likely to use a forceful invasion and other countries can say "Yes, this is terrible - but at least we still have our chips!"

Taiwan doesn't own TSMC. They don't tell TSMC how to do business any more than the US government dictates to Intel. I'm sure it wields influence, of course. The US government offers incentives for companies to build foundries in the US, and there's a large pool of skilled workers in the industry in that area. Also Taiwan is a small country, so it's quite possible TSMC needs to expand internationally in order to be ab…

TSMC was founded as a Taiwan government initiative, the government still owns 6% and has a representative on the board of directors.

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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Post by pjmlp »

pauldenton wrote: post #528
pjmlp wrote: post #513

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The ones who are now stuck in Chinese Debt Traps

Like the south American ones used as CIA testbed during the 70 and 80's, or the victims of Southeast Asia wars during Nixon days?

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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Post by pjmlp »

bovermyer wrote: post #527
pjmlp wrote: post #511

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Tell that to the countries where US wages war on.

You're still missing the point. This discussion is _not about the United States._ This discussion is about _China._ Let me give you a helpful link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Yeah, where patriot Americans defend US ways are alright as long it only affect foreign countries.
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