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Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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Post by pjmlp »

bovermyer wrote: post #486
pjmlp wrote: post #475

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"Between 2001 and 2005, CIA officers captured an estimated one hundred fifty people and transported them around the world.[12][13][14][15] Under the Bush administration, rendered persons were reported to have undergone torture by receiving countries. Journalists, civil and constitutional rights groups, and former detainees have alleged that this occurred with the knowledge or cooperation of the administrations of the…

See my other comments regarding US vs China in this context.

Tell that to the countries where US wages war on.

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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Post by pjmlp »

petre wrote: post #504
pjmlp wrote: post #475

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"Between 2001 and 2005, CIA officers captured an estimated one hundred fifty people and transported them around the world.[12][13][14][15] Under the Bush administration, rendered persons were reported to have undergone torture by receiving countries. Journalists, civil and constitutional rights groups, and former detainees have alleged that this occurred with the knowledge or cooperation of the administrations of the…

At least it's not institutionalized torture like in Xinjang or the concentration camps used to "re-educate" Falun Gong practitioners.

Nah, just a way to keep pentagon people and those that depend on their military contracts employeed.

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Post by pjmlp »

aNoob7000 wrote: post #499
pjmlp wrote: post #475

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"Between 2001 and 2005, CIA officers captured an estimated one hundred fifty people and transported them around the world.[12][13][14][15] Under the Bush administration, rendered persons were reported to have undergone torture by receiving countries. Journalists, civil and constitutional rights groups, and former detainees have alleged that this occurred with the knowledge or cooperation of the administrations of the…

I'd take the United States versus China any day of the week. People keep making China out like they some kind of benevolent dictator. Keep in mind that all the shit talking everyone does on Hacker News and other sites is a no go in China. Ask Jack Ma about how well things go when you go against the China's CCP.

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Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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Post by dont__panic »

lkois wrote: post #336
chrischen wrote: post #301

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99% chance the people complaining about labor conditions are doing so on a made in China phone. Let’s be honest, people complaining about labor conditions have a pretty weak understanding of economics and what is actually going on with regards to these factories. China isn’t stupid. They weaken their currency specifically to bring in the cheap labor jobs to lift the poorest to a slightly less poor tier. Unless you re…

>99% chance the people complaining about labor conditions are doing so on a made in China phone. Is there any other option? Don't stop people from complaining about lead in the water supply, just because they have nothing else to drink.

I think you can get a Fairphone in some parts of the world (Europe). But it's not a particularly viable option in the USA.

This kind of reminds me of the plot of The Good Place [spoiler warning] -- in the show it's essentially impossible to get to Heaven because every decision you make has transitive dependencies on awful labor practices, abusive behaviors, and other unseemly things. So everyone ends up in Hell.

I don't think using a smartphone built with evil labor practices is inherently evil. But buying one every year when you could use one for 5 years is probably a bit evil.

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Post by philliphaydon »

nsonha wrote: post #487
philliphaydon wrote: post #382

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The US stance is it acknowledges that China believes that Taiwan is part of China. That is the equiv of saying “I know you think the sky is green, I just don’t share the same opinion.” The US’s position is that it’s up to Taiwan to decide its own fate. And will not allow china to invade and force Taiwan to join China. This has been the same position for the last 70 years. Taiwan has been an ally of the US long before…

> Taiwan has been an ally of the US long before the CCP was created. I guess except for when the US sold the UN seat to China because it’s convenient to them at the time?

The US voted against switching from ROC to PRC. Soooo no?

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

andsoitis wrote: post #509
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #490

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> how bad is China on an absolute scale that's a very odd metric, because in absolute the entire human civilization is bad right now. for itself and other living beings on the planet.

The entire human civilization isn’t ruled by a single group/government, so it isn’t outlandish to compare different nations or nation-blocs. But you do point to an interesting problem and that is one of humans’ impact to earth (and hence our habitat). Whether humans can adjust course without a single government coming up with rules and regulations remains to be seen.

Well, honestly it was more about the absolute scale metric: when a little portion of global population (5-10%) consumed more than 70% of the resources globally and was responsible for more than half of the global pollution over the past 3 generations, how bad is it in absolutes scale?

At least China represent 1/4 of global population and resemble a global government more than all western countries combined, including their power of influence over large scale events,like climate change.

If they bail out from climate talks and zero emission plans over, say, interference on the Taiwan issue, is it bad or good?

What is the best solution globally, pissing off China or human survival?

It's something we should ask ourselves, I think.

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Post by alephnerd »

senttoschool wrote: post #274
alephnerd wrote: post #266

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Yet, median income [0] and HDI [1] both at the macro level and at the prefecture level are comparable to Brazil [2][3] and lag behind both Russia [4][5] and Mexico [6][7]. There is no denying the amount of growth the service sector in China has seen, yet a lot of this growth and development is among a sliver of the population living in better developed regions such as the various coastal prefectures. Beijing, Tianjin…

>Yet, median income [0] and HDI [1] both at the macro level and at the prefecture level are comparable to Brazil [2][3] and lag behind both Russia [4][5] and Mexico [6][7]. This is the present. It does not mean China is a middle income trap nation. It continues to grow and advance in innovation. Also, China's GDP PPP per capita has already surpassed Brazil. GDP PPP is a much better measure of stand of living than GDP…

GDP and GDP PPP both quantify production, not income and living standard metrics. While there is often a correlation between production and rising living standards, it is a lossy indicator that fails to take into account inequality and differing regional CoLs. For this reason Median income plus HDI is the standard metric used in developmental economics to gauge QoL, as they give you insights on access to healthcare, education, inequality, and other metrics critical to the functioning of societies.

Countries can have cutting edge industries AND still lag behind in development - Brazil (Defense, Aerospace, ONG, Automotive), South Africa (Defense), Turkey (Defense, Automotive, ONG), Mexico (Defense, Automotive, ONG), Russia (ONG, Defense, Aerospace, Automotive), Malaysia (Automotive, ONG, Electronics), etc are all countries that are major innovators and even leaders in STEM/innovtion heavy industries, yet still have significant issues with spreading development across their countries. The PRC is facing a similar issue, and it is a hard nut to crack - I can't think of a single middle income to upper income economy that didn't also

1. receive a massive subsidy from either the EU (southern Europe, eastern Europe, Ireland) or the US (South Korea, Israel, Taiwan)

2. have a small population (It is harder to lift a nation of 400 million poor (using PRC poverty definition) people than to lift a poor nation of 30-40 million.

Also, this same trap that China is in is something that India, Vietnam, Indonesia, and the Phillipines will face in 20 years

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

andsoitis wrote: post #507
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #489

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> Among more recent events are the human rights violations, the increasing saber-rattling about Taiwan, the increasing joint military exercises with Russia that's not hostility towards the west, that's simply China defending their interests, which is their prerogative. Taiwan is still formally and technically part of greater China, human rights violations are not rare in (an by) the US military and non military perso…

How is joint military exercises with Russia not hostility to the west?

How is joint military exercises with Ukraine and talks about Ukraine annection to NATO not hostility towards China?

we like to think that everything we do is virtuos, but it's actually not true.

We defend our interests, they defend theirs.

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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Post by npn »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #4
coolspot wrote: post #3

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The main criteria for Apple is how poor and abundant population is.

Where were Apple Watch and MacBook made before Vietnam? Is the answer just China and nowhere else? How much does it cost in that location now compared to what it's going to cost now to make it in Vietnam? How many Vietnam workers is this going to employ, and are they going to be working for like... $3/day?

More like $20 a day. But its still dirt cheap compare to developed countries.

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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Post by kennend3 »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #496
kennend3 wrote: post #482

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Others missed a few great US examples. U2/SR71 spyplanes overflying other countries. This alone is considered "an act of war". what would the US do if someone flew over their country on spy missions? Then there is the absolute rampant lying about things. U2 is shot down, US president is told that should this happen the pilot wont survive. Surprise, Gary Powers is alive and the USSR exposes the US lies to the world. "…

You wrote: > True, 20+ years ago. Today: Spy satellites that can hide and re-position on-command. "Spy planes" are mostly Tom Clancy'esque fiction these days, at least from the perspective of over-head visual light photography. (Radio signals monitoring is a different segment.) Then you wrote: > False. There is no single, absolute defintion. In my experience, the Internet is "full of" posts like this one. Words and d…

> False. There is no single, absolute defintion.

Suggest you read the US governments OWN PUBLICATIONS

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1953-1960/u2-incident

"It was important that the overflights be undetected, because normally an unauthorized invasion of another country’s airspace was considered an act of war. "

"False" indeed.

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