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Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Any ideas about how to achieve that? An n-child policy? Forced sterilization? Property size limits? Maybe you'll just be kind and suggest punitive taxes.

Or be kinder yet and improve rights for women^

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4096045/

^ and improve well-being of children, and improve the sustainability of the planet

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Larger animals can be inspected individually to find pathogens or diseases. Insects are so small that it's practically impossible to inspect each individual organism. You can do sampling of the batch, but the odds of missing bad ones are still high. Same with the fruits and vegetables, some are easy to inspect, others are almost impossible, or impossible to clean. There are kosher (insect-free) versions of lettuce an…

Insects and crustaceans (shrimps, lobsters, etc.) are closely related; I always joke that shrimps are just under water bugs. Lots of people that are disgusted by one, enjoy eating the other. Disgust is mostly cultural and learned. Obviously, some of our gag reflexes are about detecting things that are bad. Like rotting meat or things that have gone off. But then we ferment and rot lots of things intentionally and the…

I recently learned that Rambam[1] advised against eating fruits, even though they're perfectly kosher. Turns out he noticed he noticed that people can get sick from fruits, but back in the day they weren't aware about harmful bacteria and the fact that you need to wash them.

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[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maimonides

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Could you expand on that?

Google it, lots of material on this subject. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lectin#Dietary_lectin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicia_faba#Health_concerns

The sources you provide say that a) cooking inactivates the lectins, b) there is no strong evidence of long term adverse effects in humans.

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It's still not economical to test e.g. every single pig for roundworms, especially since they do not create clinical symptoms in these hosts and a direct test is rather expensive. But they can pose a significant risk to humans who eat undercooked pork and in the past about 5 percent of Americans were estimated to be infected at any given time. This has only gone down thanks to modern production standards that elimina…

I've read a medical research paper about the resurgence of some nasty parasitic disease in Israel with the breakdown by religious community[1]. Turns what? The stricter the dietary laws for the community were - the less infections occurred. And we're talking about sheep here, which is similar in size to pig. There are might be a confounding variables here though, i.e. some communities are mostly urban, others are mor…

I am offended by your unfounded preemptive censorship of facts.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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No, even modern farm raised pork is dangerous to eat undercooked.

Weirdly chicken is dangerous to eat undercooked or raw, but there aren't as many cultural taboos against it.

Because it's not as dangerous as eating raw pork. Relatively speaking, raw pork is much more dangerous.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Insects and crustaceans (shrimps, lobsters, etc.) are closely related; I always joke that shrimps are just under water bugs. Lots of people that are disgusted by one, enjoy eating the other. Disgust is mostly cultural and learned. Obviously, some of our gag reflexes are about detecting things that are bad. Like rotting meat or things that have gone off. But then we ferment and rot lots of things intentionally and the…

I recently learned that Rambam[1] advised against eating fruits, even though they're perfectly kosher. Turns out he noticed he noticed that people can get sick from fruits, but back in the day they weren't aware about harmful bacteria and the fact that you need to wash them. -- [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maimonides

Usually if you can peel the fruit the inside is considered כשר.

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> Insects and crustaceans (shrimps, lobsters, etc.) are closely related ... One important difference: salt-water animals (including crustaceans) harbor parasites which are less compatible with humans, for them humans are dead-end, they can't close the complex reproduction cycle. Land insects and fresh-water crustaceans (e.g. crayfish) are much more dangerous for humans. Lobster sashimi is much safer than eating a raw…

> One important difference: salt-water animals (including crustaceans) harbor parasites which are less compatible with humans, for them humans are dead-end, they can't close the complex reproduction cycle. Land insects and fresh-water crustaceans (e.g. crayfish) are much more dangerous for humans. Nice point. The flip side is that with land based insects the parasites can close the cycle with humans/mammals and hence…

> Why increase your risk probability?

this will always be the case. we can "survive" on a very safe diet

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Anything to do with eating any meat can be dangerous. We don't know why religions banned certain meat. Anthropologists etc give us post facto rationalisations, and, to my mind, even the holy books might be retrospective excuses.

There are two main reasons why religious books of law ban certain behaviors: - to encode social and higienic rules as understood at the time - to signal heressy, prohibiting a common practice carried out by heretics (double points if it is a practice central to those heretical beliefs). For religions originating in the desert where meat spoils quickly, it makes sense to ban those kinds of meat more prone to transmiti…

So certain. I guess you were there...

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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I recently learned that Rambam[1] advised against eating fruits, even though they're perfectly kosher. Turns out he noticed he noticed that people can get sick from fruits, but back in the day they weren't aware about harmful bacteria and the fact that you need to wash them. -- [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maimonides

Usually if you can peel the fruit the inside is considered כשר.

I was told to always split the apple into two halves, and check that there is no non-kosher meat inside;) Have no idea whether that's an actual kashrut requirement, or it was a joke.

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My gut reaction to the smell of pork, bacon or any meat derived from pig is disgust. That doesn't mean this feeling is some kind of natural primal intuition, it just means I didn't grow up eating it.

I'm intrigued that you can recognize fried or minced pork by smell and distinguish it from beef or poultry by smell alone. I know a lot of people have an aversion to mutton as it can have a very gamey aroma to it, but I wasn't aware people perceive pork as similarly intense.

My wife has a powerful sense of smell, and she vociferously complains about the odor of pork, which smells no different to me than any other meat.
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