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Re: Ask HN: Depressed, need to leave web development, what can I do?

#181
>Nearing my 40s, so my profile is less appealing to employers, this field is very oriented to young people.

This has always been the case. In the 1980s, when I was in my 20s, this was the deal, and very well known to all of us in university. Nothing new. One was too old after 35-years-old, UNLESS you were some amazingly great programmer, of course. Obviously. I remember having many conversations about this topic. And this was the case way back then, when the whole industry was young.

That being said, there's always room for older programmers. Maybe it is not quite as easy, but there's a lot of room. Maybe you won't get the Google, Facebook type of jobs, but the government sewer district, or an auto parts store with 20 stores would hire you. So it might not be the glamor of a high-end company.

I'm a lot older than you but I can move from company to company pretty easily, because I guess I have more experience - not on the technical side, but on the political savvy side. Office politics. Knowing how to find the back doors.

However, this is not about that. You hate the tech field, so none of that matters.

I personally have gone from industry to industry, different types of jobs. I have a huge and massive source of skill sets.

I know that many say that being a "jack-of-all-trades, master of none" is bad but I've never felt that way. Sure, I won't make the huge bucks by being a neurosurgeon making $2 million per year, but then again, even if I did try to do that, I still would never be able to be a neurosurgeon (or leetcoder) anyways. So the point is moot. And I'm not really a jack-of-all-trades, more like a "near master of a shitload of trades." That's how I see it, anyways. And, I LIKE being a "jack/near-master-of-all-trades" so why does it matter if I am not a superstar master? I don't want to do that.

So what I am saying is that it is possible to move from one industry, from one trade, to another.

I've done programming, sales, insurance, ran a sports school, worked as a high-level bookkeeper/financial person, ran multiple companies of my own, worked in retail (I really like it and dealing with the public, unlike most people). I've also worked in a number of other specialized niche fields that I don't want to say as it might doxx me. Over the last year I learned a boatload about SEO/SEM/Social media/digital marketing. I did this for others, but now I'm going to start creating websites of my own and use that knowledge to create my own websites.

I do what I want to do. Sometimes it takes me 3 or 6 months to figure out my next move when it is time to move on.

I am just showing you that it is more than possible. I've done it tons of times. And what one man, or woman, can do, so can another.

But the question is, what do you want to do?

As far as your existing work history, of course you have to include it. But you always want to skew your resume to the job you are applying to, as much as possible.

So if you are going to do technical writing as your next thing, you then change your resume to say how you wrote reports, or manuals, or instructions and that was the favorite part of what you are doing as a front end web designer, and other things like that. If you decide to, oh, work in a hotel industry in the administrative department, maybe you created a website for a hotel and were intrigued by it and want to work in that industry now. Just make it link up, that's easy to do. It's totall random association.

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If you can go to any kind of meetings in person, if you can find any, that is the best case. You never know who you will meet. I went to a computer security even earlier this year and met the CIO of a Fortune 100 company and spent 3 hours talking with him. He had 10,000 technical people working for him, and here I was talking to him. He offered me a job, but I didn't want one.

I've been to so many in-person meetings and if you put yourself out there and talk to people, you will find commonalities. So maybe you decide to work in commercial real estate and want to get into landscaping. So you just start attending commercial real estate assocation meetings and boom, you have a job without having to jump through hoops by applying through their website if you impress them. Maybe still apply through a website but it is a formality.

>Appreciate any guidance, thanks.

What do you want to do? Can't help you until you know that.

Re: Ask HN: Depressed, need to leave web development, what can I do?

#182

Just on the vacancies and 300+ applicants: Writing a good and "personalized" cover letter gets me a really decent interview rate I think. I'd be up to read yours and make suggestions. Just let me know here. My usual receipt: - start with a custom paragraph. Why are you a match and why do you like this company. - 1-2 copy+paste paragraphs about relevant skills (at most a buzzword or two added) - ending with a curious…

appreciate this is good advice, although i think you're probably an outlier. it's really demoralising to be totally ignored after carefully writing a cover letter.

If it's really no reply you dodged a bullet with that company. And I too woke up to a "we have decided to continue the process with other candidates that better fit our current needs" in my inbox :). Happens.

Re: Ask HN: Depressed, need to leave web development, what can I do?

#184

What if there’s no solution? What if you’re right and ageism is real and the industry is only going downhill from here? How does a Hacker accept that fact and change the situation? I believe the successful hackers went on to start their own consultancy firms. Same job, totally different culture and treatment. Threshold is a major skill upgrade in self-marketing though.

what i saw most of them move into management. some do go out on their own, if you're able to establish some contacts and business.

some others i worked with will just change careers every 10 years, go and study and try something different.

Re: Ask HN: Depressed, need to leave web development, what can I do?

#185
post #28

There are 300+ applicants, but I imagine most of them aren't near 15 years of experience. I also have 15 years on experience and recently got a contract position immediately after just one interview and one take-home exercise. I was the only viable [1] candidate the company had, despite paying top market rates, so the decision to hire was a no-brainer for them. [1] They use niche and difficult technology (Scala HP Ha…

honestly, i apply for many jobs but i don't get any positive responses. sometimes no response.

i have 15 years across 5 companies, two of them faang. albeit the latest one as a contractor.

this is why i felt its an ageism issue, or perhaps the market is so over-saturated that i'm just being filtered by some automated system. but i don't want to play the keyword game, i feel it's kind of undignified.

Re: Ask HN: Depressed, need to leave web development, what can I do?

#186
post #36

I had this problem a couple years ago and decided to invest in learning Rust. So far, I think it's starting to payout. Most companies that use Rust take software development seriously. Another language that I could think of is Ocaml (or any other lisp language). Barriers are higher/harder, but it should pay off.

thanks

Re: Ask HN: Depressed, need to leave web development, what can I do?

#187

> All the vacancies in my field now seem to have 300+ applicants. If you are on the applying side rather than on the job offering side, how can you know these numbers?

linkedin shows you how many applicants. one dev role at google had 1,820 last check.

average is between 150-300 - and the ads tend to be either outsourcing shops, or companies who just keep the same ad up for months and months - while totally ignoring me.

Re: Ask HN: Depressed, need to leave web development, what can I do?

#188
post #57

Become a DBA. I've worked with some ANCIENT database guys by the standard of every other position

yeah dba would suit my introverted personality. just a bit scared of messing up a production db or causing revenue related issues.

but i will look into it thanks, i like that sql is fairly evergreen and less trend driven.

Re: Ask HN: Depressed, need to leave web development, what can I do?

#189
post #103

TLDR: take a break with no job if possible... a few months to a year ideally. Feel free to work on your own ideas or hobbies or something that gives you a feeling of reward or satisfaction. > Anyone managed to move from front-end to another role Changing roles isn't necessarily the answer. It could be, depending on how different the new role is; but for example going from frontend to backend dev is just a matter of f…

> After all, if you're in poor mental and physical health while having a job and fat paycheck, it's not really living.

very true, this how i feel right now.

Re: Ask HN: Depressed, need to leave web development, what can I do?

#190

>Nearing my 40s, so my profile is less appealing to employers, this field is very oriented to young people. This has always been the case. In the 1980s, when I was in my 20s, this was the deal, and very well known to all of us in university. Nothing new. One was too old after 35-years-old, UNLESS you were some amazingly great programmer, of course. Obviously. I remember having many conversations about this topic. And…

thanks for the great advice. the problem i've had is using my existing work experience to move into a new field, without some associated credentials.

but i think you're right, it's worth just trying to force your way into things, being more creative then just applying for the same jobs and getting ignored, the definition of madness...

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