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RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by still_grokking »

JacobSeated wrote: post #352
still_grokking wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what about all the bugs Apple seems to add on a daily basis and not fixing them than for month, years, or actually ever? I can read in the news more or less every day that fundamental things like input devices, monitors, audio, or basic GUI features are messed up or bluntly broken in macOS. People already "joking" that one needs to way at least two or three point releases before trying out major updates. That's e…

The alternative for "maximize" on Mac is to simply double click the Window, although some Windows do not have much of a "title" or "bar" to click on, because of modern simplification of GUIs, and this can cause accidents to happen. Still, I will argue it is incorrect to have the maximize button do something that I hardly ever need to do, that is, enter full screen for the given window. Both Gnome and KDE are better d…

> You have to buy- and install third party applications from developers that you do not know or trust, and that is just to fix some of the most basic issues.

That's one of the biggest jokes on the Mac, indeed.

On Windows it's not much different besides one detail: You also need a shitload of tools and gadgets only to make basic things usable. But at least those tools are mostly free (like in beer) or even OpenSource. On the Mac instead you have to pay ridiculous amounts of money only to get some basic options (like for example, I think it was ~30 bucks, only to be able to configure the acceleration of the mouse cursor).

The usability on the Mac is very broken, but people knowing how to "milk" other people created a whole market for laughable expensive apps out of it only to fix the most annoying things. That's just sooo ridiculous! I personally have no clue why people are buying this kind of stuff. It's like they want to be treated like -peep-. Imho the "jokes" about Stockholm syndrome victims are no jokes any more. That's bitter reality.

BTW:

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/apple-causes-religio...

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/276887293_iReligion...

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233647272_The_Cult_...

https://www.itproportal.com/2015/08/13/the-religion-of-apple...

By now it's a quite irrefutable scientific fact that hardcore Apple users are brainwashed sect members.

Should be obvious anyway. Just look how they behave and what they keep saying when confronted with critique…

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by still_grokking »

kps wrote: post #290
still_grokking wrote: post #83

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> Only using Qt apps on Linux is very hard. There are even whole distris doing that… ;-) https://kaosx.us/ I have hardly any GTK app installed and I would not know what I'm missing. (Firefox uses GTK but it has it's own UI anyway). Electron? That's the plague of modern times. Besides VSCode (which I will switch away in a blink as soon as the alternatives are ready) I don't use any Electron peep . Also here I would no…

How do you get Firefox to respect Cmd (Meta) consistently? I find it's been half broken since Quantum.

This funny "windows key" has any use in Firefox? I didn't know.

Firefox is a mess! (On every OS I think). I'm already happy to have proper looking dialogs by now…

There is a feature request hanging around to be able to configure shortcuts in FF. Nothing happened until now. Since many many years…

That's the problem if there is no choice.

You can only use Mozilla crap, or Google spy-ware.

Imho a replacement for the whole insanity that "the web" is is long overdue. But I guess nothing will ever happen. (Except maybe if our future AI-Overlords would show mercy).

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by rattray »

hericium wrote: post #300
LeSaucy wrote: post #277

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The biggest gap from developers will be the lack of docker on freebsd.

> lack of docker on freebsd I'm using sysutils/docker on FreeBSD with DOCKER_HOST env var set to "ssh://user@linuxvm" where linuxvm is a local VM running on bhyve[1]. Part of local FreeBSD filesystem is shared with the Linux VM via virtio-9p passthrough. Everything plays together nicely. nerdctl[2] works with sysutils/containerd. You can't run Linux images on FreeBSD kernel (Linux jails may be an option) but there ar…

Has anyone packaged this into a single, easy-to-use command/application? (Like "Docker for Mac")

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by nix23 »

pjmlp wrote: post #154
malepoon wrote: post #143

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From Wikipedia: > Today, FreeBSD is used by many IT companies such as IBM, Nokia, Juniper Networks, and NetApp to build their products.[16][17] Certain parts of Apple's Mac OS X operating system are based on FreeBSD.[18] Both the PlayStation 3 and Nintendo Switch operating system also borrow certain components from FreeBSD,[7][8] while the PlayStation 4 operating system is derived from FreeBSD 9.[19] Netflix,[20] Wha…

As that quote clearly puts out, it is mostly cherry picked components, and not a proper FreeBSD distribution.

Like every Android or embedded linux?

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by pjmlp »

nix23 wrote: post #364
pjmlp wrote: post #154

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As that quote clearly puts out, it is mostly cherry picked components, and not a proper FreeBSD distribution.

Like every Android or embedded linux?

Linux is only a kernel, unlike FreeBSD which is a whole OS.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by pjmlp »

JadeNB wrote: post #231
pjmlp wrote: post #188

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If what you understand by macOS is how Panther used to be.

> If what you understand by macOS is how Panther used to be. That's a bit old for me (I started with Tiger), but I would definitely be all over an option to go back to OS X (where, I felt, the paradigm was that users should be presented with the best possible default experience, but also should be trusted to tinker if they chose to do so) before they started pushing this macOS = iOS integration (where the paradigm sh…

That is mostly what GNUStep managed to be compatible with before running out of steam.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by pjmlp »

klabb3 wrote: post #267
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #216

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If FOSS culture is bad at design, then one could imagine it being beneficial to just blindly copy an existing good design

Yeah, and there's no shame in that. Better copy something good than create something terrible. However, if you can only copy, you're limited to creating copycats of commercial software. In many cases, FOSS has strengths that others lack, where design and UX can be the difference between success and failure.

Except they only copy the look, not the feel, nor the development experience.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by nix23 »

pjmlp wrote: post #365
nix23 wrote: post #364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like every Android or embedded linux?

Linux is only a kernel, unlike FreeBSD which is a whole OS.

I was talking about Gnu/Linux and you know it.

And hint, that's why the playstation etc has "just" parts of FreeBSD....they don't need tar and llvm in it.

Your comment makes no sense in that regard.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by kps »

still_grokking wrote: post #362
kps wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you get Firefox to respect Cmd (Meta) consistently? I find it's been half broken since Quantum.

This funny "windows key" has any use in Firefox? I didn't know. Firefox is a mess! (On every OS I think). I'm already happy to have proper looking dialogs by now… There is a feature request hanging around to be able to configure shortcuts in FF. Nothing happened until now. Since many many years… That's the problem if there is no choice. You can only use Mozilla crap, or Google spy-ware. Imho a replacement for the who…

In Firefox, setting ui.key.accelKey to 91 used to work properly. Now, it doesn't on some pages.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by solardev »

JacobSeated wrote: post #358
solardev wrote: post #88

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Mac has a different workflow for this. You copy and then "paste and move" at the destination, instead of the standard cut. But same result.

You have to press and hold the option key while the context menu is open. It is just inconvenient compared to other systems.

Agreed. I hate it too.
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