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RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

#351

Nice project, however I’m worried about their scope (reimplementing the MacOs APIs?) being too large for their team, to achieve that level of ‘finessse’ a billion-worth company has made decades achieving. Moreover in my opinion the contributor pool might be thin, most potentially interested users would prefer using MacOs, and most linux users being notoriously not fond of the lack of configuration. Happy to be proven…

I'd concur on that last part, for sure. As a Linux user, the fit and finish of MacOS really doesn't appeal to me. The hardware, on the other hand...

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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None of those are bugs, just differences. sounds like you tried for a day and were annoyed it's not exactly as you are used to. Most of your issues simply work differently on macos, and many have been since before kde existed. Sure some could be better, but changing these would upset the whole user base. (And mac users could claim those things broken in kde in the same way) I have used windows, gnome2, gnome3, xfce,…

And what about all the bugs Apple seems to add on a daily basis and not fixing them than for month, years, or actually ever? I can read in the news more or less every day that fundamental things like input devices, monitors, audio, or basic GUI features are messed up or bluntly broken in macOS. People already "joking" that one needs to way at least two or three point releases before trying out major updates. That's e…

The alternative for "maximize" on Mac is to simply double click the Window, although some Windows do not have much of a "title" or "bar" to click on, because of modern simplification of GUIs, and this can cause accidents to happen. Still, I will argue it is incorrect to have the maximize button do something that I hardly ever need to do, that is, enter full screen for the given window.

Both Gnome and KDE are better desktop environments, heck even Windows 11 has done a better job (although they ruined the taskbar now).

The mere fact that you can not change things to your liking on Mac proves my point. You have to buy- and install third party applications from developers that you do not know or trust, and that is just to fix some of the most basic issues. Microsoft recently also decided to go down this route, and have now sabotaged their own Taskbar, preventing users from moving it.

It has nothing to do with "not being used to the Mac-way" – these things are just worse on Mac. There is nothing good about not having direct access to the location address in your File Manager, or not being able to change this stupid default behaviour of various keys and UI elements.

The ability to use "cut" on files, and actually change location by a text-based address bar are both to be considered core features. It is entirely brainless and inconvenient that we have to hold in "option" just to get a "move files" option to show up in the right click context menu.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

#353

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> I think this is a really bad design, and I don't understand how people can like this. What do you think would be better? Can you give an example?

Widgets that indicates purpose. It can be tricky to make everything self explanatory, but at least if you use icons or text rather than just colour you give the brain something to help you recognize.

Okay, can you give an example of how that would look?

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

#354

KDE is a better desktop environment than MacOS, by far. I have had so many usability issues with my Mac that does not exist in KDE/Linux. E.g. Apple confining the GUI and not including basic functionality. Specifically: - I really miss a decent address bar in finder that can be edited directly - some windows on mac are always on top, preventing access to other windows. E.g. Password dialogs for encrypted hard drives.…

Is this relevant to the submission, or simply a spot you’ve interpreted as a convenient one to air all of your grievances about Macs? I guess not only air them, but state them in a way where only your approach is correct (“erroneous” is inappropriate to apply to a UI decision that differs from your preference, for example)

If you pay attention, you will note the authors of this decided to Ditch KDE and apparently design their own UI, which would be more like Mac. My point is, power users do not really want Mac desktop environment – it is just a "necessary" evil that we are stuck with.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

#355
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KDE is a better desktop environment than MacOS, by far. I have had so many usability issues with my Mac that does not exist in KDE/Linux. E.g. Apple confining the GUI and not including basic functionality. Specifically: - I really miss a decent address bar in finder that can be edited directly - some windows on mac are always on top, preventing access to other windows. E.g. Password dialogs for encrypted hard drives.…

> always on top, preventing access to other windows. E.g. Password dialogs for encrypted hard drives. this is something that should be done everywhere, if it isn't, it's a potential security issue.

Supposedly the security issue is about copying and pasting passwords.

Trust me, the alternative is much, much worse. You do not want users using the same password everywhere.

I use a password manager, passwords are encrypted and only briefly available doing the copy / paste operation. It also has an auto-fill option which further limits the attack surface.

KDE is much more respectful towards users, because you can actually remove/add the "always on top" flag as needed, and that IS the way it should be.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

#356
post #82

KDE is a better desktop environment than MacOS, by far. I have had so many usability issues with my Mac that does not exist in KDE/Linux. E.g. Apple confining the GUI and not including basic functionality. Specifically: - I really miss a decent address bar in finder that can be edited directly - some windows on mac are always on top, preventing access to other windows. E.g. Password dialogs for encrypted hard drives.…

> - "Cut" does not work for files in finder, severely complicating moving files Luckily macos is extensible so you can create your own service for that.

I find the Mouse is typically more convenient for cut on files, unless I happen to have my other hand on the keyboard. The shortcut keys on mac are often a two, three or even four combination whereas on GNU/Linux or Windows it will be a one or two-key operation.

The way Mac handles copying and pasting text is also horrendous, because it also copies the styling, something I actually never need to do. The way to paste text without styling is a horrendous long, and inconvenient keyboard combo.

Other system does that too, but it is just less often an issue. Typically what I do instead is I have a plain text window open, paste my text in that, then copy it again, and finally paste it in the intended destination. It is piss annoying

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

#357

KDE is a better desktop environment than MacOS, by far. I have had so many usability issues with my Mac that does not exist in KDE/Linux. E.g. Apple confining the GUI and not including basic functionality. Specifically: - I really miss a decent address bar in finder that can be edited directly - some windows on mac are always on top, preventing access to other windows. E.g. Password dialogs for encrypted hard drives.…

Note that you can do "Cut" in Finder by doing "Copy (Cmd-C)" but then using "Alt-Cmd-V". It'll move the file instead of copying. Also, you can also fix the "caps lock" issue by remapping it to "control". Completely fixes the "caps lock" button. It works on Linux too! ;)

I am aware of that, but the fact is that this is less convenient than a standard "cut", as on other systems, so I honestly never use that. What I do instead is I have two windows open, and then I drag and drop between them. Also less convenient, but better than having to keep an extra hand on the keyboard constantly.

And of course, a "always on top" flag would have been really nice for dragging and dropping between windows. That option is really nice in KDE, but missing on both Mac and Windows.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

#358
post #82

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> - "Cut" does not work for files in finder, severely complicating moving files Luckily macos is extensible so you can create your own service for that.

Mac has a different workflow for this. You copy and then "paste and move" at the destination, instead of the standard cut. But same result.

You have to press and hold the option key while the context menu is open. It is just inconvenient compared to other systems.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

#359

KDE is a better desktop environment than MacOS, by far. I have had so many usability issues with my Mac that does not exist in KDE/Linux. E.g. Apple confining the GUI and not including basic functionality. Specifically: - I really miss a decent address bar in finder that can be edited directly - some windows on mac are always on top, preventing access to other windows. E.g. Password dialogs for encrypted hard drives.…

> I really miss a decent address bar in finder that can be edited directly Press Command-Shift-G and it will appear as a small window. (I haven't figured out how to do this in a "Open/Save File" dialog, so if anyone can chime in, greatly aprreciated) > "Cut" does not work for files in finder, severely complicating moving files It's annoying that there is no shortcut equivalent, but if you need to actually move a file…

Command-Shift-G is new to me, but it is too inconvenient, being forced to keep and extra hand on the keyboard for such simple operations.

It breaks my normal work-flow when I am on my mac, which is most the time nowadays.

There also is a shortcut for moving files, but I do not care about that.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

#360

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I don't use a Mac. How does one interrupt a program if Ctrl+C is bound to copy? At this point when I'm in a terminal Ctrl+C is muslce memory for interrupting a running program.

Macs have a Meta key called Command that can be dedicated to the shortcuts defined in GUI applications while leaving Ctrl free to be used by console stuff. So all the GUI copy/paste/windowing etc controls use Command key shortcuts. The original 1984 Mac keyboard did not even have a Ctrl key, it was added to later keyboards as people wanted access to terminal applications.

Of course! Sorry, I did know this but I always forget macs have Cmd and Control
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