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Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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I don’t get why it’s so hard for people to just stop eating animals.

because we did it since the dawn of our species. it is in our very nature. and it feels good.

you might as well preach abstinence, like the previous iterations of church ladies did.

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#72

They probably contain toxins that can't be cooked away either. Ask yourself why humans refrained from eating them unless near starvation and death for the recorded history of humanity.

The last hunter gatherers in Africa have lived that way for as far as we can tell for thousands of years. Part of their diet is raw bee larvae. There's a photo of a man eating it accompanying this news story about a study in Science. https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/08/24/5456315...

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> both seem to carry plenty of baggage Salads can literally kill you via the listeria they bring.

I’ll pick the salad over the steak any day, though. Above all I’d love to see better technology and attention for food safety, though. It’s stunning to see how many people suffer from food born illness today — something I’d thought was far more under control up until my mid 30s. It’s better under many circumstances and I’m not going to pretend it’s anything like it has been in the past. However, we could do much, muc…

And I would pick pork ribs over those two any day.

Cooking has been our food safety technology for millennia.

Even for milk, pasteurization is a way of cooking it.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

#74

They probably contain toxins that can't be cooked away either. Ask yourself why humans refrained from eating them unless near starvation and death for the recorded history of humanity.

> Ask yourself why humans refrained from eating them unless near starvation and death for the recorded history of humanity.

This is very wrong. Did you forget to ask outside your gated community?

We've not eaten half the things we regularly eat for most of recorded history either. That's not an argument.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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I’ve wondered about this for a few years so this is extremely gratifying to read. I’ll have to go in deeper later to really understand the implications of each parasite, but my main takeaway is that my intuition here was way off. I expected insects to pose far fewer risks from parasites to humans. I wouldn’t have taken a chance based on that assumption, and cooking bugs seems like it would eliminate most of these pat…

> both seem to carry plenty of baggage Salads can literally kill you via the listeria they bring.

It is also not recommended to feed certain types of salad to small pets like birds because it is loaded with pollutants from farming.

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> both seem to carry plenty of baggage Salads can literally kill you via the listeria they bring.

I’ll pick the salad over the steak any day, though. Above all I’d love to see better technology and attention for food safety, though. It’s stunning to see how many people suffer from food born illness today — something I’d thought was far more under control up until my mid 30s. It’s better under many circumstances and I’m not going to pretend it’s anything like it has been in the past. However, we could do much, muc…

Steak when cooked carries far fewer pathogens than a salad which is not cooked. I do wonder about the comparison between cooked vegetables and cooked meat however.

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Humans have been eating insects for a long time. In south africa they eat ants, china they eat scorpio, thailand they eat crickets... The ants and the scorpio are quite tasty IMO. On the other hand, I know of places where their casual vegetables are dangerous because their hold traces of animals feces with pathogens but you couldn't tell when buying them. And finally, I remember eating the best eggs ever from my moth…

> Humans have been eating insects for a long time. In south africa they eat ants, china they eat scorpio, thailand they eat crickets... I'm in South Africa. I've never heard of the ants thing, but it is most definitely NOT NORMAL over here to eat those things; rich people may do it as a delicacy, like they would eat caviar, but it never was normal to eat insects over here.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33396313/

"Indigenous Knowledge about Consumption of Edible Insects in South Africa"

>Edible insects are a nutritious diet and play an important role in people's livelihoods in rural areas.

Just how many rich people are out there in SA's rural areas?

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We've been eating other foods for a very long time, and we've developed methods to handle, and prevent, the parasites. Cook meat, make sure fruits and vegetables are not blighted, ferment dairy, various preservation methods from pickling to canning to smoking. The list of methods is enormous. We haven't been eating insects except in times of famine. We have not yet developed methods of dealing with it.

Humans have been eating insects for a long time. In south africa they eat ants, china they eat scorpio, thailand they eat crickets... The ants and the scorpio are quite tasty IMO. On the other hand, I know of places where their casual vegetables are dangerous because their hold traces of animals feces with pathogens but you couldn't tell when buying them. And finally, I remember eating the best eggs ever from my moth…

In Colombia, we (sometimes) eat ants. They taste like something in between pop corn, peanuts, and butter.

Google for 'Hormigas culonas'.

The only reason it's not more common, is the price, they are quite expensive.

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> [...] the probability of catastrophic outcomes is exponential [...] What does that even mean? Do you want to say that the probability is high?

exponential has come into popular usage to mean “really high”, i.e. not exponential. I frequently see it used to refer to single values that aren’t even in a time series, or in comparison to one single previous value (“exponentially higher”) when that is, of course, a mathematical impossibility. It’s similar to how unconscious is now commonly used to mean subconscious (i.e. not unconscious) and literally is commonly…

> how unconscious is now commonly used

Freud and Jung used the term unconscious (das Unbewusste) - it is probably not a recent trend.

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