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New antibody neutralizes all known SARS-CoV-2 variants in lab tests

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Re: New antibody neutralizes all known SARS-CoV-2 variants in lab tests

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Can anyone with more knowledge on this topic than me (I’m no expert) assuage my fears: by giving human populations such artificial resistances (non-live vaccines) we run the risk of selecting for viruses that are even harder for even our own immune systems to detect and destroy. Current Covid strains don’t seem all that bad, basically everyone I know has been infected now. Might we run the risk of making things worse…

Evolution is climbing mount improbable. And natural selection (even in the face of in this case intelligently designed selectors) funnels organisms into potential dead ends which they can’t evolve out of - they’ve gone up the ‘north face’ and in order to reach fitness in the face of their selectors, they actually need to be on a completely different mountain. An antibody that dead ends all current evolutionary trends…

So, from the article:

> Once the virus has bound to ACE2, it must complete a final step: fusing its outer membrane with the membrane of our cells. This throws the door open to infection. Using a novel live-cell imaging platform, Alex Kreutzberger, HMS instructor in pediatrics at Boston Children’s, and Tomas Kirchhausen, professor of cell biology in the Blavatnik Institute at HMS and professor of pediatrics at Boston Children’s, showed that SP1-77 blocks this step.

> “SP1-77 binds the spike protein at a site that so far has not been mutated in any variant, and it neutralizes these variants by a novel mechanism,” noted Kirchhausen. “These properties may contribute to its broad and potent activity.”

Questions:

* If mutations at this site are possible, how would this be an evolutionary deadens in a way that the current evolutionary dynamics of the virus are not?

* Surely a lack of mutations at this site, on their face, imply only that there is no evolutionary pressure on the site and its phenotypes, and, that mutations at this site are as viable as anywhere else?

* Or, is it possible that the lack of mutations (presuming that this is very accurate) indicates an evolutionary pressure to maintain functionality that is sensitive to failure due to even minor mutations or deviations in functionality?

Re: New antibody neutralizes all known SARS-CoV-2 variants in lab tests

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From the article: The researchers have applied for patents on both the antibodies and the mouse model used to produce them. They hope to see their work developed commercially. ... followed by This work was supported by the Howard Hughes Medical Institute, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation (INV-021989), the National institutes of Health (NIAID Consortia for HIV/AIDS Vaccine Development UM1-AI144371, P01 AI158571, Ma…

I think it would make a lot of sense if "any patents arising from research done with monies given by will confer on a lifetime perpetual non-exclusive right to use and re-license said patent on what ever terms they deem acceptable."

If this were implemented, wouldn't it just be the case that no one would take your money?

Re: New antibody neutralizes all known SARS-CoV-2 variants in lab tests

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reducing the spread of existing variants reduces the number of replications the virus can make, which in turn reduces the occurrence of mutations.

I've often wondered if other viruses (below) could possibly mutate into a more dangerous form. Perhaps there is a reason why they cannot. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_virus_species

They can, they just usually don't, as more dangerous viruses kill their host before they can spread as far...

Re: New antibody neutralizes all known SARS-CoV-2 variants in lab tests

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't answer the question though, almost a non-sequiter.

It does answer the question. Evolution is the result of mutations propagating through reproduction. The more copies of a virus replicating, the higher chances of mutation causing a more deleterious and/or virulent variant of the virus. As the number of viral copies and replications approaches zero, the chances of a worse strain of the virus spreading also approaches zero. Vaccines reduce viral load and spread, thus r…

Where does the worry come from regarding drug resistant bacteria why would that worry not have a viral analog?

Re: New antibody neutralizes all known SARS-CoV-2 variants in lab tests

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Can anyone with more knowledge on this topic than me (I’m no expert) assuage my fears: by giving human populations such artificial resistances (non-live vaccines) we run the risk of selecting for viruses that are even harder for even our own immune systems to detect and destroy. Current Covid strains don’t seem all that bad, basically everyone I know has been infected now. Might we run the risk of making things worse…

Evolution is climbing mount improbable. And natural selection (even in the face of in this case intelligently designed selectors) funnels organisms into potential dead ends which they can’t evolve out of - they’ve gone up the ‘north face’ and in order to reach fitness in the face of their selectors, they actually need to be on a completely different mountain. An antibody that dead ends all current evolutionary trends…

How are we sure it is a dead end and how sure are we? It sounds as if this would put extraordinary selective pressures on the virus, if we are wrong I’d fear we would just make things worse

Re: New antibody neutralizes all known SARS-CoV-2 variants in lab tests

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Sign me up.

I'm going to wait for actual careful human testing .... could be that 5% of the human (but not mouse) population have a variant of some critical metabolic path that this anti-body attacks ..... But yes, once we know it's safe sign me up too

Did you follow this safety protocol with the current covid vaccines?

Re: New antibody neutralizes all known SARS-CoV-2 variants in lab tests

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Can anyone with more knowledge on this topic than me (I’m no expert) assuage my fears: by giving human populations such artificial resistances (non-live vaccines) we run the risk of selecting for viruses that are even harder for even our own immune systems to detect and destroy. Current Covid strains don’t seem all that bad, basically everyone I know has been infected now. Might we run the risk of making things worse…

> by giving human populations such artificial resistances (non-live vaccines) we run the risk of selecting for viruses that are even harder for even our own immune systems to detect and destroy

That'd be a valid question if we didn't ready have non-live vaccines with very good proven track records for polio, hepatitis, the flu, etc.

> Current Covid strains don’t seem all that bad, basically everyone I know has been infected now.

And here comes the covid denial argument. Relentlessly repeating the same loaded arguments again and again.

> Might we run the risk of making things worse at this point?

Yeah, but what about wind turbine's rare earth ? It's really polluting ! And what if climate change has more benefits than problems once we have adapted, uh ?

Re: New antibody neutralizes all known SARS-CoV-2 variants in lab tests

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From the article: The researchers have applied for patents on both the antibodies and the mouse model used to produce them. They hope to see their work developed commercially. ... followed by This work was supported by the Howard Hughes Medical Institute, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation (INV-021989), the National institutes of Health (NIAID Consortia for HIV/AIDS Vaccine Development UM1-AI144371, P01 AI158571, Ma…

Why would Pfizer drop a few billion on getting the vaccine to market if the funders would then relicense it?
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