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Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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simondotau wrote: post #341
mulmen wrote: post #325

In my dad’s lifetime we went from fighting a bitter war with Vietnam to building our most popular consumer electronics there. I wonder what we will build in Afghanistan in my retirement years.

For previous generations, you could say much the same thing about Germany and the engineering and automotive sectors. Afghanistan is an inhospitable place that doesn't have inherent qualities such as a skilled population, high population density, logistics channels, shipping ports, or a geography amenable to developing the above. They could become a major minerals exporter (there's believed to be a lot of lithium in…

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Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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Post by akdor1154 »

selimthegrim wrote: post #291
akdor1154 wrote: post #223

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Culturally Vietnam is tending quite pro-west, and yes its govt is single party communist, but nowhere near the levels of authoritarian hell of the CCCP.

Were you meaning USSR or China here as comparison?

Oh ta, yeah I meant china, CCP.

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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ggm wrote: post #348
simondotau wrote: post #346

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To be clear, I'm very much a layperson with absolutely no special knowledge or insight. I really don't know enough about Iraq to have an opinion. But what I do notice is that Germany, Japan, Korea and Vietnam were all able to break free from feelings of anger and grievance against past enemies. Iraq (and Afghanistan) are populations rife with religion-fuelled and religion-adjacent grievances, pointing internally and…

Iraq and Iran have massive domestic economies, and established tertiary education. I have no reason to believe graduates from Iraqi uni are any less capable than the Iranians who work with me, or who I know work in Engineering and Health fields all over Australia. There are good AF graduates too, but fewer. They have less resources to fund tertiary education.

Iran is very much a different story. Grievance is largely held by the ruling classes and not the broader population. With the right leadership in place I could totally imagine a future where Iran is a trusted/respected member of the international community and a strong global trade partner.

As I said before, I know very little about Iraq.

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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nine_k wrote: post #228
SkyMarshal wrote: post #171

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No it isn't. People with nothing to lose and living in poverty while seeing their democratic neighbors prospering are harder to control. People with education, jobs, and families - something to lose - are easier to control. How many Tienanmen Squares has China had since Asian and Western democracies opened their markets and enriched China.

Tiananmen protesters were mostly students, young people with a lot of prospects in life, usually from a better-off families who could afford to send children to a university (instead of having them work and keep up the family). They definitely had much more to lose than Marx's lumpen proletariat. Of course, now people in China, especially in the rich coastal cities, have dramatically more to lose. They've been shown…

> mostly students

Aka nothing to lose. Having family and job would be considered having things to lose. Also let’s not consider students “educated”, they will be if they then build a career and actually practice their knowledge. Any clown can get a degree.

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simondotau wrote: post #353
ggm wrote: post #348

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Iraq and Iran have massive domestic economies, and established tertiary education. I have no reason to believe graduates from Iraqi uni are any less capable than the Iranians who work with me, or who I know work in Engineering and Health fields all over Australia. There are good AF graduates too, but fewer. They have less resources to fund tertiary education.

Iran is very much a different story. Grievance is largely held by the ruling classes and not the broader population. With the right leadership in place I could totally imagine a future where Iran is a trusted/respected member of the international community and a strong global trade partner. As I said before, I know very little about Iraq.

I know Palestinians and Jordanians and probably Palestinians masquerading as Jordanians, who are examples of how you can work it out, once things calm down. Iraq won't be at war with itself forever, Kurdistan aside, (and its not like there aren't heaps of smart enterprises in Turkey, they sell world-class drones...)

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Post by innovator116 »

dirtyid wrote: post #262
nyokodo wrote: post #250

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> But now we can't build anything and if china embargoes us, we're doomed. Firstly there is vastly more manufacturing in the US, Canada, and Mexico than you appear to realize. Secondly China is far more prone to being embargoed than the United States. If China cut us off then the price of certain goods would increase significantly and there’d be shortages of some goods and industrial inputs but we could feed ourselve…

>prone to being embargoed Most US / global industries wouldn't be going anywhere without PRC supply chains / rare earth processing. Besides PRC is calorie self-sufficient and produces enough raw resources domestically for war economy, and export to west is like... 5% of GDP total, i.e. trivial in total war scenario. Now go look up how much steel, oil and other primary inputs PRC generates domestically... it wouldn't…

Without IPR restrictions, most of manufacturing can be quickly scaled up in places outside China. Also remember, India is nuclear power and understand Mutually Assured Destruction working between India and China.

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Post by ggm »

nr2x wrote: post #350
ggm wrote: post #347

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If AF was smart, they'd partner with battery makers to value add instead of just shipping lithium out as-is. Better to build value. And, many dry inhospitable places are productive in the right terms, if you understand them. Look at the bone yards: Making good money, letting birds park there.

So, couple things you should know about the Taliban…

Measure this stuff in decades. Once they catch up with the 17th century, things will look up a bit. They're still stuck in 641CE

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Post by sneak »

tomxor wrote: post #321
chrischen wrote: post #301

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99% chance the people complaining about labor conditions are doing so on a made in China phone. Let’s be honest, people complaining about labor conditions have a pretty weak understanding of economics and what is actually going on with regards to these factories. China isn’t stupid. They weaken their currency specifically to bring in the cheap labor jobs to lift the poorest to a slightly less poor tier. Unless you re…

> 99% chance the people complaining about labor conditions are doing so on a made in China phone. 99% of everyone has a phone made in China, does this mean it's not possible to complain about the state of the world we live in?

Not while you are literally voting with your dollars to preserve that status quo.

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Post by sneak »

lancesells wrote: post #214
upupandup wrote: post #193

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> years ago No longer the case obviously but more importantly, Apple studied themselves and found they were only saving 10% in costs? This makes no sense lol

10% is many billions every three months. I don't think it's wise or ethical to manufacture in countries that have human rights violations but there's nothing ethical about a corporation.

Where do you propose that Apple move their Texas plant then?

(The US, like China, also runs concentration camps. As far as I can tell there is no country on Earth that uniformly preserves human rights.)

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