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Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Post by rasz » Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 12:49 AM UTC

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>underpaying health staff yes, things like surgeries or dental dont bankrupt you in Europe, and doctors dont automatically become millionaires collecting vintage cars or buying private planes.

> doctors dont automatically become millionaires collecting vintage cars or buying private planes Yes, instead they make less than new grads working in literally any white collar field in the US, less than nurses in the US, and less than most blue collar trades in the US [1]. 91k GBP for the highest pay grade specialist doctor is just sad given how much training you need to become a specialist. That doctor could be m…

Is grinding thru med school somewhat sacred? should they earn more than EEs? civil engineers? architects?

> making millions here in the US with their own practice

yes, fixing noses or fake tits

>Yes, instead they make less than new grads working in literally any white collar field in the US

like almost everyone else. Newsflash - US is really expensive.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Post by Vrondi » Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 12:58 AM UTC

The thing I don't understand is that a huge portion of the Americans who drive pickup trucks do not live in the big expensive cities, but in rural areas with lower costs of living, yet the prices are so high. Pricing pickup trucks at half to 2/3 of the cost of the house mortgage for customers just seems... stupid. They're pricing them at double the gas models in some cases and acting like they're luxury cars. If anyone were willing or able to cut back on automated touchscreen gadget headaches and offer a solid EV utility pickup, then EV adoption could be vastly accelerated in the USA.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Post by kernal » Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 1:02 AM UTC

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No, it's not an Android tablet, just like it's not an "Android phone" as you previously purported. I suggest you research Volvo's implementation of Android Automotive to get a better understanding of what it is rather than trying to equate it to an old version of Android you used on a phone or tablet.

How about you tell me where I am wrong or how they are different . Because I read your wikipedia link and it just seemed to reinforce that it's extremely Googley with Play Store, Voice Assistant and GPS built in to Fords and Volvos. And I found no meaningful differences I didn't already cover. Nor did I on Volvo's page[1] [1] https://developer.volvocars.com/android-automotive/

You must have missed the part where the UI/UX was entirely created by Volvo. The Hummer UI is especially futuristic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNTisbC9-8Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqjRO1d0iQM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ravJtxu3N04

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyfGRNe-FtU

https://carbuzz.com/news/google-will-transform-bmws-dashboar...

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Post by ceeplusplus » Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 1:25 AM UTC

rasz wrote: post #551

ceeplusplus wrote: post #528

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> doctors dont automatically become millionaires collecting vintage cars or buying private planes Yes, instead they make less than new grads working in literally any white collar field in the US, less than nurses in the US, and less than most blue collar trades in the US [1]. 91k GBP for the highest pay grade specialist doctor is just sad given how much training you need to become a specialist. That doctor could be m…

Is grinding thru med school somewhat sacred? should they earn more than EEs? civil engineers? architects? > making millions here in the US with their own practice yes, fixing noses or fake tits >Yes, instead they make less than new grads working in literally any white collar field in the US like almost everyone else. Newsflash - US is really expensive.

> Is grinding thru med school somewhat sacred? should they earn more than EEs? civil engineers? architects?

Everyone you mentioned should (and does in the US) earn more than 90k GBP. Nurses in the US (at least in California where they make 50-60$/h) earn the same as top pay grade specialty doctors in the UK according to that NHS payscale.

> yes, fixing noses or fake tits

No, there are many specialties which don't involve plastic surgery but make millions. Cardiologist, dermatologist, dentist, etc. Or if you're a surgeon and work at a big hospital, you can also make 500k+. All of these involve mitigating pain and suffering and saving lives.

Sorry you think plastic surgery is the only way to earn a good living in medicine.

> like almost everyone else. Newsflash - US is really expensive.

Compared to what, London? Amsterdam? Paris? The US isn't more expensive than anywhere else, and for a doctor working in the suburbs, it's way cheaper than any major city in Europe. Don't forget, health insurance for white collar workers in the US is cheap compared to their salary, and taxes are lower. Energy costs as well. And a 401k is a lot cheaper than paying progressive social security taxes that redistribute earnings.

At least the US doctor can afford a house, whereas the UK one will never buy one within an hour's drive of London in their lifetime.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Post by dillondoyle » Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 1:46 AM UTC

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When will amazon put an echo branded voice prompt car control in? Or whoever. If it works well it seems like a great solution. Talking on the phone is distracting, but feels less so than trying to find touchscreen areas.

Both Apple Carplay and Android Auto support voice controls via their respective assistants. And most cars come with native voice control these days as well.

I've tried the one on my dad's car but it's pretty crap.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Post by deepGem » Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 3:25 AM UTC

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I see this sentiment everywhere outside the tech first ecosystem. In the generalization of 'workers'/'engineers' v/s 'supervisors'/'managers', programmers are often seen as just workers. For whatever reason, an MBA or even a BBA is seen as an officer/supervisor. Even product teams at tech first companies tend to represent this dogma. There are exceptions but the programmers are workers dogma is prevalent in this worl…

> So yeah, Ford might make a fast car, they will almost never be able to build a software driven car, which is the car of the future. I would kill for a "low-tech" EV - think Toyota Corolla[1], but with an electric power train. No touch screen, no "self driving" beyond lane assistance & adaptive cruise. Unfortunately, manufacturers are unwilling to start off with a low-margin products, but I believe that is the car o…

The main impediment for this approach is still the battery pack. Unless you can reduce the cost/kwh of batteries the corolla of the ev world won't happen. Battery costs per Kwh are on a downward trend. Tesla is probably around 100-110$ per KWh translating to about 7-8K for it's flagship 70 KWh battery pack.

7-8K in about 30K of manufacturing costs. https://electrek.co/2018/05/31/tesla-model-3-teardow-materia...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2021/12/01/ar...

So am not sure a low margin approach would fly right now, simply because of supply constraints for volume production. Probably at a 10M/year run rate, the economies of scale would tip in the low margin high volume favour.

How would you solve this conundrum. Can you just stick to a low margin approach from day 1 ? Focus relentlessly on cost reduction in all parts of the cars except the powertrain and the battery since those are the key reliability aspects.

OR

May be a conventional 5 seater car is an overkill for most usage and can you instead build a version with a 35KWh battery pack but a 2 seater like a Miata. No frills, fast and safe car at nearly half the cost but am not sure if you can maintain the same range.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Post by woevdbz » Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 4:35 AM UTC

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> "create something like Facebook" There's nothing inherently wrong with adding social media features to your customer portal, as long as you understand people will use it to vent their complaints, and you will have to spend money on moderation to keep it from turning into a cesspool. I still remember when Netflix turned off all their social integration, especially the ability to leave movie reviews and get kudos via…

I agree with you, if a company has a big enough name and user base, social-network-like features can add to the UX. What our managers were seriously pondering was to create an actual competitor to Facebook that would draw their user base to our website, a company with around 10.000 b2b customers (if even) which had nothing to sell in the b2c channel.

Not necessarily a bad idea in itself, Bloomberg is a b2b only service which has some built-in social networking features that have made it quite sticky because it's an exclusive club with relatively little noise and high trust. But I'm guessing that company isn't Bloomberg :-D

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Post by greesil » Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 4:48 AM UTC

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And yet, I can't afford a house. I guess I'll go buy another Tesla.

> And yet, I can't afford a house. You can, but need to move elsewhere within the US. I know it's not great situation though.

You're not wrong, I just can't figure out where. From a purely jobs standpoint, SV is an engineer's paradise. Yes, I know remote work is a thing.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Post by philistine » Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 2:13 PM UTC

KronisLV wrote: post #455

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I see this sentiment everywhere outside the tech first ecosystem. In the generalization of 'workers'/'engineers' v/s 'supervisors'/'managers', programmers are often seen as just workers. For whatever reason, an MBA or even a BBA is seen as an officer/supervisor. Even product teams at tech first companies tend to represent this dogma. There are exceptions but the programmers are workers dogma is prevalent in this worl…

> ... they will almost never be able to build a software driven car, which is the car of the future. Software can make a lot of things better, but for whatever reason most cars end up with closed software solutions with a limited amount of updates, problems with how responsive/inefficient they are and a plethora of other complications. At that point, slapping an Android tablet on the dash for navigation might be a be…

I visited my friend while he was plowing his fields, and one of his tractors was out of commission due to a broken sensor. The first thing that came out of his mouth was: I don’t hate the sensors, they saved one of my tractors from an oil leak one time.

For tractors, the reason they gain features is to improve uptime, thus driving costs down. And they do.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Post by johnklos » Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 5:38 PM UTC

kernal wrote: post #495

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Android? So now our cars will stop working and/or will become hopelessly insecure when Google and Ford decide to stop updating them?

I must have missed the 56+ Ford Sync monthly updates. Do you know where I can download them?

Oh! Are those updates for Ford Sync on Android?

The Google Pixel 5a, which came out a year ago, will only get Android updates through August, 2024. That's THREE years, on a Google phone. They're basically telling you that they want you to landfill your phone so they can make more money.

Android is a shitty ecosystem for anything long term.