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it was secret for years until The Information reported it. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/12/report-apple-ceo-tim...
Most businesses deals are secret by default. All my contracts have confidentiality clauses. The only reason to make a deal non-secret is PR.
You just agree 100% with the person you were responding to, and brought up an irrelevant point.
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The same type of argument can be made about any specific issue. For instance, labor rights is incredibly broad. I don't think it's a realistic requirement for someone to care about every possible labor-rights issue. It's fine if people want to be selective.
I wasn’t specific enough. My point was that people are inconsistent due to the intersection between their advocacy and their own sense of nationalism. The issues are amplified when they pertain to Americas enemies and lessened when it pertains to Americas Allies.
For a specific example, I did a quick search and Malaysia is one. Malaysia has the same or worst labor practices then China, but no one complains about tech companies relying on Malaysia's poor labor practices.
A blog post that talks about it. https://medium.com/swlh/forced-labor-in-tech-c91daf979201
I don't really see what the problem is with offshoring. If other people elsewhere want to work for cheaper, then it's fair competition. It's not like protectionism would work long term anyways. And in this particular case, Vietnam is more aligned with the US than China, geopolitically, so this makes a lot of sense.
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> There is a lot of dishonesty around Westerners complaining about foreign cheap labor. This is a strawman. You're conflating different groups of people with different interests. Some people complain about labor conditions, some people complain that jobs are leaving the country. Almost nobody is "dishonest" about this.
99% chance the people complaining about labor conditions are doing so on a made in China phone. Let’s be honest, people complaining about labor conditions have a pretty weak understanding of economics and what is actually going on with regards to these factories. China isn’t stupid. They weaken their currency specifically to bring in the cheap labor jobs to lift the poorest to a slightly less poor tier. Unless you re…
Economists hardly understand the economy, so I’d say they’re in good company…
Jokes aside, demanding better treatment of workers and onshoring of jobs doesn’t seem as insane as people here are making it seem? This whole thread feels kind of irrelevant.
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> There is a lot of dishonesty around Westerners complaining about foreign cheap labor. This is a strawman. You're conflating different groups of people with different interests. Some people complain about labor conditions, some people complain that jobs are leaving the country. Almost nobody is "dishonest" about this.
99% chance the people complaining about labor conditions are doing so on a made in China phone. Let’s be honest, people complaining about labor conditions have a pretty weak understanding of economics and what is actually going on with regards to these factories. China isn’t stupid. They weaken their currency specifically to bring in the cheap labor jobs to lift the poorest to a slightly less poor tier. Unless you re…
Is there any other option?
Don't stop people from complaining about lead in the water supply, just because they have nothing else to drink.
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Outsourcing has dramatically increased inequality in the United States. Try again.
Why should we have to care about American workers over everyone else? On one side, you have a American factory worker loses the ability to buy steak. On the other, a Vietnamese worker gets access to running water, the consumer gets cheaper electronics and Apple shareholders get extra profits.
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smic (partially state owned) is only two nodes behind tsmc and samsung: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/china-chipmaker-smics-7nm-...
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I'm interested to know to what extent this is just assembly of parts imported from China, or whether the real control over things like the M1 chip assembly, secure element, logic board, etc. are also moved to Vietnam? Seems like that's the secret sauce / real proprietary stuff that tells you whether the high value is moving too. (or maybe that is not even in China either) And do they have the surrounding parts + engi…
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Apple Silicon is made in Taiwan.
Wow. Is the geopolitical hedge there with Texas or something?