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My ETH Wallet is wrongly sanctioned

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Re: My ETH Wallet is wrongly sanctioned

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Transactions and storage of money are already decentralized, through the traditional finance system that connects at least thousands of banks and payment processors and other financial institutions. So it can't be that. >You could also argue that artists who sell their artworks for huge sums of money are associating themselves to money laundering. Yes, that's why transactions for those huge sums are subject to AML la…

> Transactions and storage of money are already decentralized, through the traditional finance system That's not the case for every country on the planet > Yes, that's why transactions for those huge sums are subject to AML laws. And how do those prevent rich person A from paying rich person B (by buying a painting owned by B for an inflated price) for some illegal service?

>That's not the case for every country on the planet

It's not helping there either. Countries where the economy is strictly controlled by the government, like North Korea, are mainly using crypto and defi to centralize even more. Their government can use defi to steal from other countries with impunity, evading international laws while continuing to oppress their own citizens and disallowing them from using the internet.

>And how do those prevent rich person A from paying rich person B (by buying a painting owned by B for an inflated price) for some illegal service?

If it were done through a bank (or a law-abiding crypto exchange) they would be required to keep a log of the transaction and the legal identities of the participants, as well as a log of where the money came from and where it's going. The idea is, if buying the painting is just one of the steps to "clean" the money, they'll be able to trace it back to when the money was dirty.

Re: My ETH Wallet is wrongly sanctioned

#52
The big question is whether validators who process sanctioned contract transactions on chain are liable. I would say they are, since in theory they can choose which transactions to include. If I were a US based miner I'd be looking into it. (not that I agree but it seems the trend is more enforcement, not less, over time)

Re: My ETH Wallet is wrongly sanctioned

#53

Ignoring all the obvious jokes here about banking without regulations and throwing good money after bad, I'm interested in the technical aspect of such bans and had some trouble finding resources. The author says "blocked by DeFi protocols such as AAVE and Uniswap." What does this actually mean? I found Uniswap's FAQ on this ( https://help.uniswap.org/en/articles/6149816-address-screeni... ), but I'm not sure what it…

The website blocked his transaction but he was still able to make them go through by using direct calls

Just wait until staking is merged, 67% of the pools are run by centralized companies wanting to do business in the US, and they start filtering at the transaction level, including or not in blocks based on these same dirty metrics.

Lots of people who became paper rich are going to go the other direction just as fast.

Re: My ETH Wallet is wrongly sanctioned

#54

"This class of tools designed for resisting government control doesn't work correctly after it has been sanctioned by a government" lol

It seems like they do though if you read the whole article

for now, the transaction filtering will work its way to the lowest levels in time

Re: My ETH Wallet is wrongly sanctioned

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically, the "sanction preventions" Aave is instituting are for show only, in hopes they fool the regulators. They'll annoy and disturb the casual crypto trader but will do nothing to stop the big criminals from money laundering. I hope the developers of these defi lending protocols get hit with the criminal charges next.

> I hope the developers of these defi lending protocols get hit with the criminal charges next. It's pretty crazy how all the arguments for freedom of speech (and software) go out the window for many people whenever cryptocurrency comes up.

It's pretty crazy how some people think all speech is protected or that running software is somehow protected by the same laws that protect speech.

Re: My ETH Wallet is wrongly sanctioned

#56

I thought the De in DeFi was to avoid the possibility of being subject to an "authority". Hence the cute acronym.

The author of the article did avoid being (sort of) subject to government sanctions

Being able to make a transaction does not mean you are not subject to them, just that you found a workaround and probably earned yourself a spot on a list. They can still take your freedom

Re: My ETH Wallet is wrongly sanctioned

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> Interestingly, in the end I was able to withdraw all my funds from AAVE through direct contract calls as illustrated above Will this just result in the next wallet being tainted, and so on? I guess maybe you can try to cash out the crypto before whoever you're selling to catches on?

I did do a swap using 1inch afterwards and it works OK.Ultimately I want to be removed from the sanction list because I did nothing wrong.

The legal question could be "did providing liquidity to the service, by your participation, aid and abet sanctioned entities?"

How do you know that you did not transact with a sanctioned entity? (and by proxy did do something wrong)

Re: My ETH Wallet is wrongly sanctioned

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The website blocked his transaction but he was still able to make them go through by using direct calls

Just wait until staking is merged, 67% of the pools are run by centralized companies wanting to do business in the US, and they start filtering at the transaction level, including or not in blocks based on these same dirty metrics. Lots of people who became paper rich are going to go the other direction just as fast.

If they filter transactions, ETH will become worthless, causing the relevant stakers to lose all their money since by definition they are the ones with the most money.

Seems like the system will punish censorship as designed.

Re: My ETH Wallet is wrongly sanctioned

#60

"This class of tools designed for resisting government control doesn't work correctly after it has been sanctioned by a government" lol

It seems like they do though if you read the whole article

My joke was more pointing at the defi tools built on top of the blockchain rather than ethereum itself. Those broke.
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