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Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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Capitalism is one of the biggest eradicators of poverty. 1B of people in China was lifted from poverty because of it. And once it's done with one poor country, it starts taking care of the others :)

Capitalism with a strong central government that regulates it tightly you mean.

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Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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And ads are coming....

Ads have been present on the App Store, News+ etc for years now.

With latest news, I was under the impression that they are adding a bunch more ads: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2022-08-14/apple-...

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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At some point we should outsource our armies and perhaps even governments. If a real war starts we can use the services industry, unless we outsource that too. We’ll send the lawyers and software engineers in, and power our cardboard tanks with wood and steam. I was hoping the pandemic and the war in europe would teach us that electronics, particularly high end, should be relocated to allied countries at the very lea…

Would it be so bad to outsource the US government to say, Sweden, or one of those other Nordic countries? I feel like they know what they're doing.

Could we at least outsource the NYC MTA to them?

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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At some point we should outsource our armies and perhaps even governments. If a real war starts we can use the services industry, unless we outsource that too. We’ll send the lawyers and software engineers in, and power our cardboard tanks with wood and steam. I was hoping the pandemic and the war in europe would teach us that electronics, particularly high end, should be relocated to allied countries at the very lea…

Well, there is some substantial outsourcing of the army and intelligence services via private (military) contractors [0]. In a world of increasing PPP (Public-Private Partnerships) the line gets very blurry indeed.

One interesting line of thought (I don't share personally (yet) but find compelling as a dystopian possibility) is that the dirty business of censoring/filtering is outsourced by private companies (i.e. Big Tech with their unparalleled outreach: Twitter, Alphabet, Meta ... ) so that governments can wash their hands of it.

[0]https://medium.com/smartaim-tech/war-for-money-leading-priva...

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Capitalism is one of the biggest eradicators of poverty. 1B of people in China was lifted from poverty because of it. And once it's done with one poor country, it starts taking care of the others :)

The China duality: It seems that China is a capitalist country when people want to discuss their achievements, and a communist country when they want to discuss their faults.

They are capitalism since private sector is allowed and encouraged. They are an authoritarian country as there is no democracy and there can be a single political party. Why is that so difficult to understand?

They call their country communist because they can't afford to undermine the legacy of the communist party by admitting that they made huge mistakes in the past.

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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post #50

I'm interested to know to what extent this is just assembly of parts imported from China, or whether the real control over things like the M1 chip assembly, secure element, logic board, etc. are also moved to Vietnam? Seems like that's the secret sauce / real proprietary stuff that tells you whether the high value is moving too. (or maybe that is not even in China either) And do they have the surrounding parts + engi…

Apple Silicon is made in Taiwan.

Wow. Is the geopolitical hedge there with Texas or something?

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Capitalism is one of the biggest eradicators of poverty. 1B of people in China was lifted from poverty because of it. And once it's done with one poor country, it starts taking care of the others :)

The China duality: It seems that China is a capitalist country when people want to discuss their achievements, and a communist country when they want to discuss their faults.

A ton of the achievement has to do with Western investments. For example, Apple spent $275 billion in the late 2010s to build up Chinese tech manufacturing capabilities. That's one company doing a 5X larger investment than the "historic" CHIPs bill signed by Biden this year.

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

#98
post #75

At some point we should outsource our armies and perhaps even governments. If a real war starts we can use the services industry, unless we outsource that too. We’ll send the lawyers and software engineers in, and power our cardboard tanks with wood and steam. I was hoping the pandemic and the war in europe would teach us that electronics, particularly high end, should be relocated to allied countries at the very lea…

International trade dependency is one of the biggest deterrents to war and often helps countries become allies.

Ukraine’s #1 trading partner was Russia, and Russia’s #3 trading partner was Ukraine.

I remember reading the same argument in the 90s, and it seemed to have a lot of merit. But, experience shows us that it’s not correct.

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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A lot of comments here are criticizing Apple for chasing cheap labor. Ignoring for a second the fact that this has a lot more to do with geopolitics and hedging geopolitical risk, I think it's important to think more carefully about the impact of companies investing in developing economies. By and large, the factory work done by people in developing economies is dramatically better in terms of quality of life and saf…

Can't shake the feeling that a similar rationality was used to partially justify trading slaves "The new master feeds them bread and milk instead of just rice and water! Its a clear win for them!". Yeah I get it, its an improvement for sure but maybe the problem has roots a bit deeper that must be adressed and therefore righfully critized despite being an improvement.

It wasn't true though. The lives of enslaved people were obviously, measurably worse after enslavement and transportation. They had shorter lifespans, less freedom, literally enslavement, etc. The lives of people groups in African captured for slavery were also worse.

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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post #75

At some point we should outsource our armies and perhaps even governments. If a real war starts we can use the services industry, unless we outsource that too. We’ll send the lawyers and software engineers in, and power our cardboard tanks with wood and steam. I was hoping the pandemic and the war in europe would teach us that electronics, particularly high end, should be relocated to allied countries at the very lea…

International trade dependency is one of the biggest deterrents to war and often helps countries become allies.

Yeah it did exactly nothing to stop the ongoing war in europe and little to prevent china from brutally overtaking hong long. Meanwhile china is openly flexing muscles around taiwan. If anything its us that are deterred from action - see germany and russia.
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